The Gender Non-binary debate.
Discussion
Halb said:
I wasn't wholly sure what a sissy was, had to go look.
THere's two elements to it; effeminate and cowardly. Effeminate is subjective. But I would think the person who chooses their own way and doesn't mind standing out from the crowd, can in no way be labelled cowardly, whereas those who fear to stray from the crowd (even for something they wanna try, experiment with or really enjoy) is a tad cowardly, or sissy-like.
Eddie Izzard for example, is no sissy.
"Sissy" also has elements of "not a real man", "cries easily", "mummy's boy", and "weak and ineffectual", along with "effeminate" and "girl-like". THere's two elements to it; effeminate and cowardly. Effeminate is subjective. But I would think the person who chooses their own way and doesn't mind standing out from the crowd, can in no way be labelled cowardly, whereas those who fear to stray from the crowd (even for something they wanna try, experiment with or really enjoy) is a tad cowardly, or sissy-like.
Eddie Izzard for example, is no sissy.
Always used as an insult or derogatory term. It is all based on the idea that being feminine is lesser compared with being masculine. Likewise suggesting that a man is homosexual is considered an insult in some heterosexual male circles.
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Tuesday 17th October 20:34
Halb said:
I wasn't wholly sure what a sissy was, had to go look.
THere's two elements to it; effeminate and cowardly. Effeminate is subjective. But I would think the person who chooses their own way and doesn't mind standing out from the crowd, can in no way be labelled cowardly, whereas those who fear to stray from the crowd (even for something they wanna try, experiment with or really enjoy) is a tad cowardly, or sissy-like.
Eddie Izzard for example, is no sissy.
Not a sissy but an absolute plank that looks like he's been hit by Homers make up shotgun.THere's two elements to it; effeminate and cowardly. Effeminate is subjective. But I would think the person who chooses their own way and doesn't mind standing out from the crowd, can in no way be labelled cowardly, whereas those who fear to stray from the crowd (even for something they wanna try, experiment with or really enjoy) is a tad cowardly, or sissy-like.
Eddie Izzard for example, is no sissy.
Randy Winkman said:
Have the reactionaries arguments really come down to arm wrestling and the human species dying out?
It's often the way - people will come up with ever more bizarre justifications for their prejudice and/or beliefs.I'm sure they truly believe their own justifications as to why their own ephemeral sense of "ewww" and "ick" is in some way based on a rational reason.
Dress it up in any way you want (but not in a skirt!), but that's what it is.
I'd recommend people listen to the last half hour of this morning's Today programme for a range of views on gender. It was genuinely interesting, thought provoking stuff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj9z
Europa1 said:
I'd recommend people listen to the last half hour of this morning's Today programme for a range of views on gender. It was genuinely interesting, thought provoking stuff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qj9z
Quite a few unchallenged mistruths and lies from the anti trans interviewees though and still very much trying to debate if trans people have the right to exist and live freely in society.It was rather anti trans bingo though, I have never met a trans person who thought they had a choice about being trans or living an authentic life, neither have they been confused.
As for the lies about the changes to the gender recognition act being represented as allowing men into female spaces, For a start no it wont, any man entering a female space is likely guilty of public order offences at a minimum OTOH a trans woman is already protected under the Equality act to access such spaces and has been since 2010 purely on the basis of self determination, and we haven't seen men taking advantage of those laws in the past 7 years so cant see them taking the extra step to make a self declaration first.
I was also particularly annoyed by the inference that going onto puberty blockers was a guaranteed route to hormones, its far more likely that the blockers are being held back to the point the only people going on them are so well analysed they are pretty sure they are trans, rather than going on them eliminates the chance to rescue them from being condemned to a trans life as they view it.
Its pretty sad that this was one of the better bits of output from the BBC on trans issues, as horrific as it was.
p2c said:
As for the lies about the changes to the gender recognition act being represented as allowing men into female spaces, For a start no it wont, any man entering a female space is likely guilty of public order offences at a minimum OTOH a trans woman is already protected under the Equality act to access such spaces and has been since 2010 purely on the basis of self determination, and we haven't seen men taking advantage of those laws in the past 7 years so cant see them taking the extra step to make a self declaration first.
I think the confusion there may be that you see men and 'trans women' to be different things, much of the population do not. Whatever they may have 'self declared' themselves to be they are still a man going into a womens space in the eyes of many (the vast majority in my experience).TurboHatchback said:
p2c said:
As for the lies about the changes to the gender recognition act being represented as allowing men into female spaces, For a start no it wont, any man entering a female space is likely guilty of public order offences at a minimum OTOH a trans woman is already protected under the Equality act to access such spaces and has been since 2010 purely on the basis of self determination, and we haven't seen men taking advantage of those laws in the past 7 years so cant see them taking the extra step to make a self declaration first.
I think the confusion there may be that you see men and 'trans women' to be different things, much of the population do not. Whatever they may have 'self declared' themselves to be they are still a man going into a womens space in the eyes of many (the vast majority in my experience).But that is all a nice distraction from my point, which is even with your definition, trans people have been self declaring their identity and using the segregated facilities they feel are appropriate and have been protected in law to do so for 7 years already. How they update the final 1% of their life with a bit of paper that no one is entitled to see is pretty irrelevant to the propaganda that is being spread.
WinstonWolf said:
Randy Winkman said:
Do we now have 3 threads on this topic that should become 1?
Shouldn't there be about 79 (at the last count?)And as I also read...
"And shame on you if you don’t get mine right the first time we meet"
Which goes back to my only contribution to this thread. If I get it wrong and "offend", we would never talk again.
Who has time for all this crap?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073511/Te...
Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.
Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.
Spanna said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073511/Te...
Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.
You reap what you sow, or that's how it used to be! Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.
If you believe in freedom of expression and believe your child can present as they wish, you have to accept that other people are equally free to hold differing opinions and beliefs. It's a sad day for basic discipline and mutual respect when a school lets the parents of one 'special' child write the school rules to the detriment of the rest of the school.
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