The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

[MYOB]

MYOB said:

Don't ask me to tell you which one, but I believe there have even been some wind farms refused consents due to concerns over birds.

See...

http://www.blplaw.com/expert-legal-insights/articl...

[Jinx]

MYOB said:

I don't think anyone is as flippant as you suspect when it comes to the protection of wildlife. The is a lot of guidance out there in order to protect wildlife, for example:

https://infrastructure.planninginspectorate.gov.uk...

Don't ask me to tell you which one, but I believe there have even been some wind farms refused consents due to concerns over birds.

Edited by MYOB on Monday 13th November 15:22

And all may be trumped with article 62 Considerations of overriding public interest (The Conservation of Habitats and Species Regulations 2010) - Given all the hype and the EU's fixation with Climate change (not coming to anywhere near you anytime soon according to the IPCC AR5).

[Jinx]

MYOB said:

Why don't you ask the RSPB? After all, they are a statutory consultee on such matters with regards to planning on policy on energy matters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/121...

[rolando]

Jinx said:

MYOB said:

Why don't you ask the RSPB? After all, they are a statutory consultee on such matters with regards to planning on policy on energy matters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/121...

Jinx, you beat me to it. RSPB are a bunch of hypocrites who couldn't care less that their wind turbine is a known bird mincer.

[Evanivitch]

rolando said:

Jinx said:

MYOB said:

Why don't you ask the RSPB? After all, they are a statutory consultee on such matters with regards to planning on policy on energy matters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/121...

Jinx, you beat me to it. RSPB are a bunch of hypocrites who couldn't care less that their wind turbine is a known bird mincer.

Did you read the article?

Did you notice the only critics mentioned were those that are already in violent opposition to anything the RSPB does? A group that think they have something to gain from pointing out wind turbines are more harmful than guns and poison

I'm all for some good anti-wind turbine data, infact within that article was a link to an interesting one on bats dying from the air pressure differential around the turbine. I've not seen any evidence to support this, but it's an interesting hypothesis.

[rolando]

Evanivitch said:

Did you read the article?

Yes I did.
It includes the lie "Using wind energy is a … reliable technology…". No, it is not a reliable technology. There is no means of controlling its output because wind turbines solely dependant upon the prevailing weather at a particular time which is impossible to predict with any accuracy, even with the most powerful computers known to mankind.
The future of electricity generation lies outside the world of what I term as unreliables, such as wind and solar.

[Jinx]

Evanivitch said:

Did you read the article?

Did you notice the only critics mentioned were those that are already in violent opposition to anything the RSPB does? A group that think they have something to gain from pointing out wind turbines are more harmful than guns and poison

I'm all for some good anti-wind turbine data, infact within that article was a link to an interesting one on bats dying from the air pressure differential around the turbine. I've not seen any evidence to support this, but it's an interesting hypothesis.

https://ww2.rspb.org.uk/get-involved/community-and...

Climate change may affect bird populations some time in the future (though warmer weather with more trees could seriously improve bird populations) . Wind turbines kill birds (and all the decedents they may of sired) now. What should the RSPB be doing?

[MYOB]

Jinx said:

Wind turbines kill birds (and all the decedents they may of sired) now. What should the RSPB be doing?

Do you fly, or even drive? These also kill birds.

[rolando]

Jinx said:

https://ww2.rspb.org.uk/get-involved/community-and...
What should the RSPB be doing?

I quote from their website "The RSPB is the country's largest nature conservation charity, inspiring everyone to give nature a home and secure a healthy environment for wildlife". High speed blades erratically interfering with bird and bat flight paths hardly match that statement.

[silentbrown]

rolando said:

"The RSPB is the country's largest nature conservation charity, inspiring everyone to give nature a home and secure a healthy environment for wildlife". High speed blades erratically interfering with bird and bat flight paths hardly match that statement.

Neither, you may be surprised to hear, would sticking your fingers in your ears every time climate change is mentioned and going "nah nah nah, I can't hear you".

It's actually possible for a human to hold entirely opposing and contradictory views at the same time without exploding. I think man-made climate change is a significant threat, yet I'm no fan of onshore windfarms and drive a car that barely manages 26mpg. I'm an RSPB member, but I own half a cat (I claim my end is the one without teeth..)

[Ali G]

And how's the non-dispatchable intermittency problem coming along?

I'm assuming that Musk has this sorted by now, or is it back the times that have been left behind?

[PRTVR]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

MYOB said:

Jinx said:

Wind turbines kill birds (and all the decedents they may of sired) now. What should the RSPB be doing?

Do you fly, or even drive? These also kill far more birds.

EFA



We had this farcical protest moons ago

It's more to do with the type of birds, ask most people what type of bird they have hit and most will say pheasant or a partridge, both birds are bred for shooting, so no real impact on population of the species, wind turbines due to the height affect different birds like birds of prey, this can be devastating for a species in an area.

[MYOB]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

EFA



We had this farcical protest moons ago

Oh farc...ical off!

[jacobingonzo]

"Using wind energy is a … reliable technology…". No, it is not a reliable technology. There is no means of controlling its output because wind turbines solely dependant upon the prevailing weather at a particular time which is impossible to predict with any accuracy"

sorry but I beg to differ- ITM Power currently offer a power to gas system whereby they use renewable energy that isn't required for the grid. They use green electricity to convert water to hydrogen gas and store it to be burnt in a fuel cell to produce electricity when required -totally green no pollution generated.

[PRTVR]

jacobingonzo said:

"Using wind energy is a … reliable technology…". No, it is not a reliable technology. There is no means of controlling its output because wind turbines solely dependant upon the prevailing weather at a particular time which is impossible to predict with any accuracy"

sorry but I beg to differ- ITM Power currently offer a power to gas system whereby they use renewable energy that isn't required for the grid. They use green electricity to convert water to hydrogen gas and store it to be burnt in a fuel cell to produce electricity when required -totally green no pollution generated.

So our expensive wind turbine need a hydrogen plant and fuel cells to work, wonderful why did nobody think of this before we started building the turbines ?
I would imagine hydrogen plants and fuel cells are not cheap, but hey we can cut down on plant food production.

[Jinx]

MYOB said:

Do you fly, or even drive? These also kill birds.

I have never hit a bird with my car - rabbits yes, birds no (mainly because they are in the air a lot - round about the same height as a wind turbine) . I also rarely fly given my lack of super powers and wings (I have used various airlines but given as bird strikes can be pretty dangerous to aircraft they tend to have measures in place to keep birds to a minimum around airports).

[Ali G]

Whilst there may be speculation as to the influence that CO2 may impose upon our environment, there can be no question as to the measures being imposed upon society by the political classes.

There may be repurcussions if measures enforced do not lead to Nirvana.

[Evanivitch]

Jinx said:

MYOB said:

Do you fly, or even drive? These also kill birds.

I have never hit a bird with my car - rabbits yes, birds no (mainly because they are in the air a lot - round about the same height as a wind turbine) . I also rarely fly given my lack of super powers and wings (I have used various airlines but given as bird strikes can be pretty dangerous to aircraft they tend to have measures in place to keep birds to a minimum around airports).

Are you using your own personal experience as conclusive evidence that cars don't kill birds?

Have you ever personally seen a bird killed by a wind turbine?

[turbobloke]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Ali G said:

Whilst there may be speculation as to the influence that CO2 may impose upon our environment, there can be no question as to the measures being imposed upon society by the political classes.

There may be repurcussions if measures enforced do not lead to Nirvana.

Wrong thread

Pointless and costly windymills are predicated on tax gas issues, right thread.

[rolando]

I must put my hand up and confess. In my 50 years of driving of driving, certainly well over a half a million miles, I have hit birds (of the feathers sort). Always pheasant except on one occasion: a sparrow which ended up caught in the coat hanger which was serving as a temporary radio aerial on the Ford Cortina I was forced to use at the time. The sparrow survived and flew off when I freed it.