The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

[V8 Fettler]

MYOB said:

V8 Fettler said:

MYOB said:

V8 Fettler said:

The concept of posting nonsense in stealthy devil's advocate mode and subsequently scuttling away claiming "devil's advocate" when others refute your nonsense is bizarre, but if you find that rewarding in some perverse way then you carry on.

Really? Where's my nonsense? Show some respect to others please.

MYOB said:

Just think of those lovely windy days where the turbines are spinning freely and on that day, some coal power stations can be shut down. That is one day of reducing pollution.

And where's my subsequent post where I addressed this? There's no need to resort to playground tactic and belittle people.

Grow up.

I'm old enough, thanks. Your subsequent post is probably wherever you left it.

[Gary C]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

All the Fanboi's of Nuclear in a jerk circle have missed this today ?

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That is uncalled for and unnecessary.

[turbobloke]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Gary C said:

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

All the Fanboi's of Nuclear in a jerk circle have missed this today ?

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That is uncalled for and unnecessary.

An most certainly not directed at you Gary- apologies if you felt that way

Cringeworthy and feeble non-excuse.

[turbobloke]

Yada yada blah blah same old ad hom empty vessel noise.

Meanwhile...

Wind farms produced 'practically no electricity' during Britain's cold snap

Wind farms produced "practically no electricity" during the cold snap which manufacturers' groups say could lead to severe winter energy shortages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...

Costly unreliables strike out! Again. 2010-2017 a catalogue of failure.

[rolando]

turbobloke said:

Yada yada blah blah same old ad hom empty vessel noise.

Meanwhile...

Wind farms produced 'practically no electricity' during Britain's cold snap

Wind farms produced "practically no electricity" during the cold snap which manufacturers' groups say could lead to severe winter energy shortages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/en...

Costly unreliables strike out! Again. 2010-2017 a catalogue of failure.

Back in the bad old days of the three day week, the engineering co. I then worked for bought a ginormous diesel generator which kept the plant running 24/7, keeping manufacturers like Ford going with components necessary to build cars. It was a case of two fingers up to Scargill and a very profitable period. If I were in that same position now, the first thing I'd do is secure (that word again) production by doing precisely the same thing. The greenies would love the noise and pollution but do I care? No. The economy is far more important than a load of wingers.

[MYOB]

rolando said:

Back in the bad old days of the three day week, the engineering co. I then worked for bought a ginormous diesel generator which kept the plant running 24/7, keeping manufacturers like Ford going with components necessary to build cars. It was a case of two fingers up to Scargill and a very profitable period. If I were in that same position now, the first thing I'd do is secure (that word again) production by doing precisely the same thing. The greenies would love the noise and pollution but do I care? No. The economy is far more important than a load of wingers.

Oh dear, dinosaurs still exist after all.

[rolando]

MYOB said:

Oh dear, dinosaurs still exist after all.

I take it you don't work in industry.

[PRTVR]

MYOB said:

rolando said:

Back in the bad old days of the three day week, the engineering co. I then worked for bought a ginormous diesel generator which kept the plant running 24/7, keeping manufacturers like Ford going with components necessary to build cars. It was a case of two fingers up to Scargill and a very profitable period. If I were in that same position now, the first thing I'd do is secure (that word again) production by doing precisely the same thing. The greenies would love the noise and pollution but do I care? No. The economy is far more important than a load of wingers.

Oh dear, dinosaurs still exist after all.

Not really, when the CEO of one of the major electricity firms installed back up generators in his home, why not industry? Along with the national grids STOR diesel generators and the shutting down of coal we become totally dependent on gas, now if that goes , what are we left with ?

[rolando]

Yes, all three, because of the actions of the maniac Scargill.

You missed the point that with all the coal stations being phased out, insecurity of gas supplies and the intermittency of wind and solar, there will be a situation in coming years where there will not be security of supply, industry will be told to limit energy usage. Hence the need for a huge generator to keep production going or face bankruptcy, not only for the company but for the national economy.

[Ali G]

MYOB said:

rolando said:

Back in the bad old days of the three day week, the engineering co. I then worked for bought a ginormous diesel generator which kept the plant running 24/7, keeping manufacturers like Ford going with components necessary to build cars. It was a case of two fingers up to Scargill and a very profitable period. If I were in that same position now, the first thing I'd do is secure (that word again) production by doing precisely the same thing. The greenies would love the noise and pollution but do I care? No. The economy is far more important than a load of wingers.

Oh dear, dinosaurs still exist after all.

The future is clean, the future is diesel farms.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35035717

How this is supposed to be any form of solution is beyond my comprehension.

[PRTVR]

But we have the interconnection to help out we will be able to get electricity from Germany and France, who are building coal stations, Germany 10gw over the last 5 years.

https://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/fr...

[MYOB]

rolando said:

I take it you don't work in industry.

I do as a matter of fact. Are you bordering on arrogance because I happened to mention I worked in DECC previously?

Edited by MYOB on Friday 15th December 10:07

[PRTVR]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

PRTVR said:

Not really, when the CEO of one of the major electricity firms installed back up generators in his home, why not industry? Along with the national grids STOR diesel generators and the shutting down of coal we become totally dependent on gas, now if that goes , what are we left with ?

He installed the Generator due to outages in the physical grid due to his location, not the power failures in to the grid. Stop misinformation

And STOR diesel generators ?

[MYOB]

But I do agree the UK is walking into an uncertain future with the prospect of insufficient energy in the medium term.

But I would be a rich man if I had the answer.

[PRTVR]

MYOB said:

But I do agree the UK is walking into an uncertain future with the prospect of insufficient energy in the medium term.

But I would be a rich man if I had the answer.

The answer is coal in the short to medium term, Germany and France and most of Asia see the way forward, but hey we can take the moral high ground with candle lighting.

[Evanivitch]

rolando said:

Yes, all three, because of the actions of the maniac Scargill.

You missed the point that with all the coal stations being phased out, insecurity of gas supplies and the intermittency of wind and solar, there will be a situation in coming years where there will not be security of supply, industry will be told to limit energy usage. Hence the need for a huge generator to keep production going or face bankruptcy, not only for the company but for the national economy.

Where do you think the coal comes from?

[rolando]

Evanivitch & Paddy

Were either of you around in the winter of 1973/74?

I doubt it, judging by your comments.

[Evanivitch]

rolando said:

Evanivitch & Paddy

Were either of you around in the winter of 1973/74?

I doubt it, judging by your comments.

No I wasn't. Clearly therefore I can't have any opinion on energy security, WW2, dinosaurs or 80s music. A shame really.

Question still stands, where do you think UK coal comes from?

Correction, where do think the coal for UK power stations comes from?

[wc98]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Not a great example due to the WTG being installed and the nuances of being a RotorStar installation vs. conventional blade by blade, but new Video circling of Fred Olsen installing the Iberdrola Wikinger project (this summer):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=155&am...

(if at all interested - if not, apologies)

always interested in large scale engineering projects ,the debate around wind power doesn't in any way detract from what must be great projects to work on. how can you not like bloody big boats ,cranes and their operation to that amount of precision

[wc98]

Gary C said:

True, most of our alpha contamination at our site is in the pond water, and most of that is imported from sellafield in the spent fuel flasks.

do you know what happens to all the ceramic pellets that are at the end of the fuel rods in the stainless steel tubes used in the magnox reactors ? i used to run a department in an industrial ceramics company that made millions of them over the years and often wondered what happened to them at end of life.