The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

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wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Monday 26th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Because it fails / doesn’t last.
18months and shredded I believe
And then an arse to scrap off and reapply
works really well on sports bikes at 180 mph smile we haven't had any major weather in the north sea for a number of years , not inshore anyway. there will be some proper easterlies later in the week, will be interesting to see if it causes any problems for the wtg. if there are no problems the only remaining test weather wise will be the once in a few decades nor' easters with freezing weather. 50 mph plus with waves over 60 feet that will put tonnes of ice on them.

Gary C

12,426 posts

179 months

Monday 26th February 2018
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StanleyT said:
Do the nuclear plant turbines / gernerators move around from generation station - OEM refurb - next berth at a new nuc / non-nucstation. I'm sure one of the Oil powered stations we were decommissioning a few years ago was sending part of the turbine train to be refurbed having lived part of its life in at least one of the Huntershamlepool Point AGRs - but wasn't sure if that was just the owner trying to make us extra cautius in decommissioning?

At least I think that was the plan until it was left under a leaky dripping roof turbine hall for two years with a canvas covering the rotors / stators (I forget which one - the movey spinny bit, not the stationary bit) pooling water.....

...nice to see Fiddlers Ferry ramping up last night to "full-tt" on all boilers as I flew over the Mersey! Roll on coal.
As the AGR fleet were built using standard coal station turbines we have taken parts from a lot of closing coal stations (inverkip was a source for Heysham 2) but as each generation tended to use different turbines from different manufactures, there are very few parts that move between stations, I mean Heysham 2 and torness have the same reactors and completely different turbines.

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Coal into the red when needed. Does the needle bend on these gauges?


Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Ask Greenpeace

PRTVR

7,101 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Not seen the coal flat out when there is still capacity with gas, must be expecting very high demand, I see the French interconnection is working in reverse , but no problems, wind will sort out any problems we have.
Edit to add they are running OCGTs as well ( expensive)

Edited by PRTVR on Tuesday 27th February 08:08

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Isn't the current 'Beast From The East' weather phenomenon a feature of a continental scale high pressure system?

If so - does this mean that there is feck all wind across the high pressure system and therefore whirligigs are pretty much useless Europe-wide at the mo.

I guess we need the official Greenpeace spokesperson to explain.

PRTVR

7,101 posts

221 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
wc98 said:
works really well on sports bikes at 180 mph smile we haven't had any major weather in the north sea for a number of years , not inshore anyway. there will be some proper easterlies later in the week, will be interesting to see if it causes any problems for the wtg. if there are no problems the only remaining test weather wise will be the once in a few decades nor' easters with freezing weather. 50 mph plus with waves over 60 feet that will put tonnes of ice on them.
Its the total mileage that the tips do that exasperates the problem.
Do not associate it with particular weather conditions, its a long term erosion that is the issue.
So longer blades have more wear, but I thought that the answer to the problem was larger turbines ?

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
You are wrong, as usual
biglaugh


Hi,

Your reply to the topic 'The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain' has been removed for the following reason:

Play nicely now!

Regards,
PistonHeads

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Nice try!

Sweet - hugs n kisses Paddy - there insufficient irony in the world


Edited by Ali G on Tuesday 27th February 18:19

wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Its the total mileage that the tips do that exasperates the problem.
Do not associate it with particular weather conditions, its a long term erosion that is the issue.
i get that ,the comment re weather events was an additional thought out loud. 40 mph straight easterly on thursday. would be interesting to see how those near shore turbines going in at aberdeen would handle that. the amount of sand, grit and even boulder movement the wave energy generates when the wind is directly onshore is huge.

i still believe there are physical tests to come for many north sea wtg from weather events that haven't occurred since before their installation. they might well pass them all,time will tell.

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Tuesday 27th February 2018
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As a confidence building exercise "Engineered by Greenpeace" is the ultimate - let's make no mistake.

wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
The 'Beast from the East'


https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=map&solar...

click the tick box on the left for the Wind map...

Or live across Europe.
https://www.windfinder.com/#4/51.2344/12.8760/sfc

Typical of UK and why it is using Offshore Wind far more than any other country in Europe.
that is a good resource , thanks for posting. why is the uk producing so much co2 in its electricity generation ? the solar panels must be struggling in the snow wink

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Beast of the East is knockingbout 20% of the power for the UK.


So you were indeed Wrong, as well as offensive.

Joking about it just makes you look immature
Speeling checker broken?

We'll all be looking forward to less offensive language from yourself and more constructive discussion in the future.

You have a great deal of knowledge to disseminate (as others do) - use it.


WatchfulEye

500 posts

128 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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wc98 said:
that is a good resource , thanks for posting. why is the uk producing so much co2 in its electricity generation ? the solar panels must be struggling in the snow wink
Wholesale price of gas has doubled overnight.
Gas power stations have switched from baseline to peak fill-in operation, and coal is running flat out.

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Presumably there is very high demand for gas in continental Europe - for some reason or other...

alangla

4,776 posts

181 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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V8 Fettler said:
Coal into the red when needed. Does the needle bend on these gauges?

It's been recalibrated. The scale ends at 10, but the amber & red are beyond this. At the moment, coal output is turned up to 11! (.09 GW)

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Gas prices are high not just because of consumption, but dependability of external suppliers.
No different to the interconnects that work for electricity that folk here st themselves about

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-gas-prices-fire-146-...
When windy solves Intermittency the playing fields will be levelled - of course.

BTW - how's the intermittency going?

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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And I am so enlightened by your greatness - your honour!

Any further words of wisdom that you feel able to divulge to your 'umble slaves?

Ali G

3,526 posts

282 months

Wednesday 28th February 2018
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Quid Epso Demonstrandum

Your point being?

andymadmak

14,560 posts

270 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Ali G said:
Quid Epso Demonstrandum

Your point being?
quod erat demonstrandum, surely?

rolando

2,148 posts

155 months

Thursday 1st March 2018
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Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Do shut up with the boring repetition, general pointless and incorrect posts

A question was asked on the price hike of gas

Information was offered

You can’t comprehend how childish you are appearing


Edited by Paddy_N_Murphy on Wednesday 28th February 22:22
There's sod all pointless or childish in asking if there is a solution to intermittency of unreliables. You prove your ignorance on the subject by failing to answer the question.