The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
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Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
And unfortunately it happens time and time again on these threads. Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
The same people are clearly constantly blagging and those with real experience and expertise get fed up and stop posting.
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
El stovey said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
And unfortunately it happens time and time again on these threads. Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
The same people are clearly constantly blagging and those with real experience and expertise get fed up and stop posting.
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Unless you're now going to turn around and tell us you have a degree in HV electrical engineering and control systems? Seems unlikely.
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Unless you're now going to turn around and tell us you have a degree in HV electrical engineering and control systems? Seems unlikely.
V8 Fettler said:
The usual ad hominem, that's a surprise.
Its not, what I wrote wasn't an attack on you personally it was simply stating you dont have any practical knowledge. I was actually hoping you would tell us what your experience is, possibly to add weight to your argument/posts. Otherwise anyone reading the thread can only assume that you DONT have any relevant experience and are simply ignoring the words and opinion of the people who DO have experience.
Edited by Condi on Friday 22 February 21:55
gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
"Them" !!It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
Do you have any basis on which to make that statement? Or is it one of your usual works of fiction?
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who?
You. Fettler, apart from anything else the graphs you have posted in the last few pages all seem to lack context. It’s often not clear what point you’re trying to make with them.
It’s a shame that you’ve put off one of the most informed posters on the thread.
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
The usual ad hominem, that's a surprise.
Its not, what I wrote wasn't an attack on you personally it was simply stating you dont have any practical knowledge. I was actually hoping you would tell us what your experience is, possibly to add weight to your argument/posts. Otherwise anyone reading the thread can only assume that you DONT have any relevant experience and are simply ignoring the words and opinion of the people who DO have experience.
Edited by Condi on Friday 22 February 21:55
Jambo85 said:
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who?
You. Fettler, apart from anything else the graphs you have posted in the last few pages all seem to lack context. It’s often not clear what point you’re trying to make with them.
It’s a shame that you’ve put off one of the most informed posters on the thread.
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Unless you're now going to turn around and tell us you have a degree in HV electrical engineering and control systems? Seems unlikely.
V8 Fettler said:
You can assume whatever you want. I generally add weight to my arguments with evidence.
You love evidence, and yet are open not to having that evidence challenged? Any scientist has to be open minded and will reconsider their opinion and evidence if alternative ideas and evidence is proposed. It makes any 'discussion' pointless because you've already decided what you think before posting, and have no intention of changing your mind or learning.
Condi said:
It makes any 'discussion' pointless because you've already decided what you think before posting, and have no intention of changing your mind or learning.
Which, to be fair, is the approach taken by pretty much every single poster on Pistonheads, if not the entire internet!Singling out one poster and saying "ooh, you're not going to change your mind, so you can't be in this discussion" seems pretty pointless, when the discussion already contains plenty of people who also aren't changing their mind.
"Well: they're right, so don't have to change their mind" you might say.
Then demonstrate it via the discussion. That's kinda the point.
Just criticising someone for not changing their mind to match your opinion is bordering on naive, if not just virtue signalling for approval from whatever arbiter of internet wisdom people image might be watching.
V8 Fettler said:
Are engineers not generally permitted to be directors and politicians then?
In my experience in the engineering sector, it's generally the designers and constructors who have greatest technical knowledge of complex plant, the operators are just operators. No offence GaryC.
The UK AGRs (and Magnox, and 'C' stations as yet built / unbuilt) were built by consortia then given over to the CEGB but the might then of the designers OEMs bankrupted consortia / Scottish Nuclear / British Energy / Nuclear Electric. That was the 1990sIn my experience in the engineering sector, it's generally the designers and constructors who have greatest technical knowledge of complex plant, the operators are just operators. No offence GaryC.
But now, there is a man, S.Crookes (in public domain) whom if you've worked in the nuclear generation industry in the last 20 years you know gets things done in the operating stations (Heysham,, Hartllepool), gets value from the OEMs and not ripped off and is now pretty much the UK side director of Hinkcley C in the UK so some engineers can do it to director level (2014 stance when I stopped contracting in that arena).
Me, I'm seeing f we can convert a coalie into a biomass, might hear Wednesday next week (if we get sanction, suspect public sanction will be a few weeks after the first brownout Nov 2019)?.
Anyway, where is the electricity for HS2 coming from?
Ian Geary said:
"Well: they're right, so don't have to change their mind" you might say.
Then demonstrate it via the discussion. That's kinda the point.
Just criticising someone for not changing their mind to match your opinion is bordering on naive, if not just virtue signalling for approval from whatever arbiter of internet wisdom people image might be watching.
Not at all, but if he presents evidence, and someone presents alternative evidence - particularly so someone who deals with the real life application of the ideas day in day out - its incredibly arrogant to say 'my evidence is right, and all your experience counts for nothing'. Then demonstrate it via the discussion. That's kinda the point.
Just criticising someone for not changing their mind to match your opinion is bordering on naive, if not just virtue signalling for approval from whatever arbiter of internet wisdom people image might be watching.
What is the point in a discussion if nobody is prepared to change their minds and learn? It might as well be everyone shouting into a bucket.
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