The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
You can assume whatever you want. I generally add weight to my arguments with evidence.
You love evidence, and yet are open not to having that evidence challenged? Any scientist has to be open minded and will reconsider their opinion and evidence if alternative ideas and evidence is proposed. It makes any 'discussion' pointless because you've already decided what you think before posting, and have no intention of changing your mind or learning.
How do you know that I don't reconsider my opinion? Are you omnipotent?
Once again, you're attacking the poster, but not the poster's argument.
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
You can assume whatever you want. I generally add weight to my arguments with evidence.
You love evidence, and yet are open not to having that evidence challenged? Any scientist has to be open minded and will reconsider their opinion and evidence if alternative ideas and evidence is proposed. It makes any 'discussion' pointless because you've already decided what you think before posting, and have no intention of changing your mind or learning.
How do you know that I don't reconsider my opinion? Are you omnipotent?
Once again, you're attacking the poster, but not the poster's argument.
The recent exchange now causing introspection was afaics conducted reasonably and without rancour.
Back on topic, if anyone spots the updated and corrected EU Commission report with accurate i.e. significantly increased unreliables subsidy data, please post a link even if it's a GWPF secondary source job, TIA
A reminder of key elements from Lord Oxburgh's 2016 report i.e. on decarbonistion of heat.to the (then) Secretary of State. More recently Gummer assumes we can move away from using natural gas with little cost or difficulty, based on nothing more than faith that it will happen. What's changed since Oxburgh apart from faith levels increasing and uncertaintly remaining?
Wind energy suffers tough year in Europe with 12 nations failing to install a single turbine
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/wind-suffers-tough...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/wind-suffers-tough...
rolando said:
Anyone who thinks that we can have a reliable supply of electricity without nuclear/fossil fuel (base load) and fossil fuel (load following) generation is living in cloud cuckoo land.
For the foreseeable future i totally agree, until technology changes massively, and that doesnt seem to be happening yet.V8 Fettler said:
gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
"Them" !!It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
Do you have any basis on which to make that statement? Or is it one of your usual works of fiction?
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
To clear this up, can you list yours and how it relates to power generation? If you do have experience of this field why are you being so cagey about it?
turbobloke said:
News just in.
GWPF Finds Major Error In EU Commission Analysis Understating UK Renewables Subsidy Costs
Authors of EU Commission Report Confirm Mistake
it's only a couple of hundred quid a year for every member of the working population every year to line the pockets of people like gummer and camerons father in law, i mean to save the planet. don't you want to make rich people even richer, i mean save the planet GWPF Finds Major Error In EU Commission Analysis Understating UK Renewables Subsidy Costs
Authors of EU Commission Report Confirm Mistake
GWPF said:
In his column earlier this week, Dr John Constable, the GWPF's energy editor, pointed out that the EU Commission’s recent study of the effect of climate and other policies on international competitiveness contained a substantive error. The report claimed that annual levies on UK consumers in 2016 for subsidies to renewable electricity were €1.57 billion, whereas the correct figure is closer to €7 billion.
EU Consultants said:
You are correct that the largest part of the other subsidies was from the Renewables Obligation and that these were not allocated to ‘financed by end users’ as they should have been. Thank you for spotting this error, we are correcting the figures and expect a revised report to be online soon.
Hopefully rscott is on PH today as then we'll get a link to the GWPF webpage 
turbobloke said:
Wind energy suffers tough year in Europe with 12 nations failing to install a single turbine
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/wind-suffers-tough...
But luckily for the future of power generation in Great Britain:https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/wind-suffers-tough...
Record-breaking amount of new UK offshore wind capacity installed in 2018
https://www.renewableuk.com/news/430793/Record-bre...
Edited by JD on Monday 25th February 14:41
LoonyTunes said:
V8 Fettler said:
gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
"Them" !!It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
Do you have any basis on which to make that statement? Or is it one of your usual works of fiction?
Raus!
BigMon said:
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
Reasoned debate between different points of view is one thing and is to be encouraged.
Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
Who would that be then?Refuting what an experienced person knows to be fact and has explained clearly more than once, from someone with no practical knowledge is a very different thing and will cause people to walk away.
To clear this up, can you list yours and how it relates to power generation? If you do have experience of this field why are you being so cagey about it?
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
How do you know that I don't reconsider my opinion? Are you omnipotent?
Evidence on this thread suggests you don't.V8 Fettler said:
LoonyTunes said:
V8 Fettler said:
gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
"Them" !!It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
Do you have any basis on which to make that statement? Or is it one of your usual works of fiction?
Raus!
This sums it up..
gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
V8 also does this on the Climate Change threads.It’s Internet trolling only using the sham facade of ‘free speech’ or ‘something to offer’. They also do it on more than one subject.
LoonyTunes said:
This sums it up.
It can't sum anything up because i's not accurate.gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
The trolling remarks are pure irony as usual, not least in a post like that.
Following yet more off-topic and unjustified personal attacks, hopefully the thread can get back on-topic.
turbobloke said:
LoonyTunes said:
This sums it up.
It can't sum anything up because i's not accurate.gadgetmac said:
None of them have any qualifications or experience in the field in the subjects that they argue against those who have.
The trolling remarks are pure irony as usual, not least in a post like that.
Following yet more off-topic and unjustified personal attacks, hopefully the thread can get back on-topic.
t.I doubt you can prove otherwise but give it a go.
V8 Fettler said:
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
How do you know that I don't reconsider my opinion? Are you omnipotent?
Evidence on this thread suggests you don't.Evidence based conclusion.
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