Man with staples in his face unemployed
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...and wonders why he can't get a career going...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053h3yg
I'm all for freedom of expression. I like tattoos and body art. But I've always understood how it could affect my employment prospects so have restrained myself from ever going down that road. Is this common sense or am I out of touch?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053h3yg
I'm all for freedom of expression. I like tattoos and body art. But I've always understood how it could affect my employment prospects so have restrained myself from ever going down that road. Is this common sense or am I out of touch?
57 Chevy said:
...and wonders why he can't get a career going...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053h3yg
I'm all for freedom of expression. I like tattoos and body art. But I've always understood how it could affect my employment prospects so have restrained myself from ever going down that road. Is this common sense or am I out of touch?
I would say that it's common sense - presenting what society considers (in general) to be a respectable image is a big part of acquiring a job in my opinion and it's not like those things are stuck in there forever, he could remove them easily enough if he thought that his image was hurting his chances of a successful interview.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p053h3yg
I'm all for freedom of expression. I like tattoos and body art. But I've always understood how it could affect my employment prospects so have restrained myself from ever going down that road. Is this common sense or am I out of touch?
Make your choices. Live with them. I grow a beard when I'm between contracts. For job interviews and in contracts I shave, because I'm in the food industry. I could not shave, I'd get less work.
I will employ people with or without staples, however I won't put them in customer facing roles if that will jeopoardise the company. Lip staples come out before you go in a food factory too, and, yes, I have sent people home when they refused to remove facial piercings.
I meanwhile continue to apply for male model jobs but the fools at the agencies can't see that I am perfect for the job.
I will employ people with or without staples, however I won't put them in customer facing roles if that will jeopoardise the company. Lip staples come out before you go in a food factory too, and, yes, I have sent people home when they refused to remove facial piercings.
I meanwhile continue to apply for male model jobs but the fools at the agencies can't see that I am perfect for the job.
I find the attitude odd, I have pointed out employability to friends with the big ear hole things and tattoos on necks etc.
Their attitude generally seems to be that employers shouldn’t discriminate.
But the reality is you need to change for the employer not the employer change for you.
Their attitude generally seems to be that employers shouldn’t discriminate.
But the reality is you need to change for the employer not the employer change for you.
.. had to explain joke to colleague.I am fairly "normal" - no visible tats and only a couple of piercings - again, not visible (mainly).
However, I would be exactly the same person, and do exactly the same job, if I had cheek piercings and hair like a tutti frutti Cornetto.
If you wanted someone to meet an office manager and sell him photocopiers or IT virus protection then yes, image is a "thing". But to 90% of people, who see the same people day in and day out, I don't see how it matters. I do think there's a fair bit of PH snobbery going on.
(I think the average PHer secretly wants to emulate Mr Banks Sr from Mary Poppins. Only they drive a german TDi, whereas the Banks' would not touch anything un-British.)
However, I would be exactly the same person, and do exactly the same job, if I had cheek piercings and hair like a tutti frutti Cornetto.
If you wanted someone to meet an office manager and sell him photocopiers or IT virus protection then yes, image is a "thing". But to 90% of people, who see the same people day in and day out, I don't see how it matters. I do think there's a fair bit of PH snobbery going on.
(I think the average PHer secretly wants to emulate Mr Banks Sr from Mary Poppins. Only they drive a german TDi, whereas the Banks' would not touch anything un-British.)
I think it's quite an old fashioned point of view personally. I'm 35, fairly heavily tattooed and I've worked management jobs for the last ten years. First in retail with some customer service involved and now in the office of a clothing company. Fortunately both places put the skills and experience I have ahead of how I look.
I obviously wouldn't discount anyone from a job for having piercings/tattoos. They're becoming more accepted in general society every day.
I obviously wouldn't discount anyone from a job for having piercings/tattoos. They're becoming more accepted in general society every day.
ZedLeg said:
I obviously wouldn't discount anyone from a job for having piercings/tattoos. They're becoming more accepted in general society every day.
Depends what your business is & who your clients are: trendy pub with hipster customers would be OK for staff to be bearded/pierced/tattooed, but I think you'd have problems being a doctor or other top professional.Again, I don't think many people of many generation would have a problem with a doctor or lawyer with tattoos. Although I'm biased and there are obviously caveats to that. If you've got tattoos with strong political ties or showing violence or something else people tend to frown on seeing in public I'd expect you'd find it more challenging than someone with a wee hipster anchor or whatever.
Tattoos and piercings are moving away from their thugs and weirdos rep, for better or worse.
Tattoos and piercings are moving away from their thugs and weirdos rep, for better or worse.
OpulentBob said:
I am fairly "normal" - no visible tats and only a couple of piercings - again, not visible (mainly).
However, I would be exactly the same person, and do exactly the same job, if I had cheek piercings and hair like a tutti frutti Cornetto.
If you wanted someone to meet an office manager and sell him photocopiers or IT virus protection then yes, image is a "thing". But to 90% of people, who see the same people day in and day out, I don't see how it matters. I do think there's a fair bit of PH snobbery going on.
(I think the average PHer secretly wants to emulate Mr Banks Sr from Mary Poppins. Only they drive a german TDi, whereas the Banks' would not touch anything un-British.)
You are right.However, I would be exactly the same person, and do exactly the same job, if I had cheek piercings and hair like a tutti frutti Cornetto.
If you wanted someone to meet an office manager and sell him photocopiers or IT virus protection then yes, image is a "thing". But to 90% of people, who see the same people day in and day out, I don't see how it matters. I do think there's a fair bit of PH snobbery going on.
(I think the average PHer secretly wants to emulate Mr Banks Sr from Mary Poppins. Only they drive a german TDi, whereas the Banks' would not touch anything un-British.)
For most jobs I don't think it matters.
But this guy has gone beyond a few tattoos or a nose ring / ear hoops, hasn't he....
ZedLeg said:
Again, I don't think many people of many generation would have a problem with a doctor or lawyer with tattoos. .
Most medical training universities won't take students with visible tattoos when wearing short sleeved scrubs, AIUI. I heard this from a prospective medical student who has a couple of small tattoos on her forearms. She will have to wear a wristwatch on one and a sticking plaster over the other at the interviews.I suspect that this will have to change, tattoos must be on over 50% of the under 30s by now. If I were younger I'd be setting up a laser removal parlour, there's got to be 20 years' work once the fashion shifts. We must be at peak tattoo by now, go the Europe and nobody has them. When I visit my French friends they all look at my unadorned arms in amazement because their experience is that Brits all have them. I've even been asked why not, somehow "I don't much like them" seems a rather lame explanation.
The point I was trying to make is that some jobs still will not take people because of piercings and tattoos so by having them you are ruling yourself out of those careers. Fine if you are comfortable making money elsewhere or have a career that allows or even wants them, there is no problem. This guy doesn't know what he wants to do but is ruling himself out of certain jobs. In fact he had an opportunity to use the publicity of this interview to promote himself but either chose not too or was not aware enough to take advantage.
Until the CEO of Barclays turns up to a press conference covered in ink then we are not at the point where it is transparent to employment.
Until the CEO of Barclays turns up to a press conference covered in ink then we are not at the point where it is transparent to employment.
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