small mach 3 airliner concept
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If you're going to blow $100m, you might as well do it with some style.
https://youtu.be/pnWMWwu11nY
https://youtu.be/pnWMWwu11nY
I genuinely don't think a small supersonic airliner is what the airlines want. I think they would want a large supersonic airliner to make it financially viable. And until NASA work out how to eliminate the sonic boom routes will be limited and thus airlines will be less interested still.
FourWheelDrift said:
I genuinely don't think a small supersonic airliner is what the airlines want. I think they would want a large supersonic airliner to make it financially viable. And until NASA work out how to eliminate the sonic boom routes will be limited and thus airlines will be less interested still.
No, but just watch the private jet market wet themselves...I suppose if you consider that it is an on-line portfolio of an illustrator then it's fine. No different to any number of car / helicopter / plane / submarine / rocket designs most of us drew as a kid, except it has the benefit of a glossy rendering.
The shape's totally wrong (especially the tail...
). You can't just cut-n-paste from Concorde, XB-70, Boeing 2707 (lots of that) and random fighter aircraft.
The shape's totally wrong (especially the tail...
). You can't just cut-n-paste from Concorde, XB-70, Boeing 2707 (lots of that) and random fighter aircraft. I wonder what would have happened in the 20th century if people had had computers in 1901?
3D animations of an aeroplane crossing the Channel, a Photoshop montage of a bloke on the summit of Everest, a flight sim game where you can travel in a big metal tube to the US, and 100 assorted CGI videos on YouTube of a moon landing?
3D animations of an aeroplane crossing the Channel, a Photoshop montage of a bloke on the summit of Everest, a flight sim game where you can travel in a big metal tube to the US, and 100 assorted CGI videos on YouTube of a moon landing?
Zad said:
No different to any number of car / helicopter / plane / submarine / rocket designs most of us drew as a kid, except it has the benefit of a glossy rendering.
Couldn't you say that of any design concept out there?Zad said:
The shape's totally wrong (especially the tail...
In what way is it 'wrong'?TooMany2cvs said:
No, but just watch the private jet market wet themselves...
A few years back I was chatting with a Gulfstream fella at EBACE who told me that they had a supersonic jet design on paper, that had never got any further due to an almost complete lack of interest. I don't recall ever having aircraft speed being a problem, certainly not compared to delays at FBOs etc.The engine spec of that re drawn XB70 seems optimistic, 160KN thrust without afterburners, that's 10% more thrust than a J58 (SR71/A12) at full wet power, or similar power as an F119 again at full wet power.
nikaiyo2 said:
A few years back I was chatting with a Gulfstream fella at EBACE who told me that they had a supersonic jet design on paper, that had never got any further due to an almost complete lack of interest. I don't recall ever having aircraft speed being a problem, certainly not compared to delays at FBOs etc.
The engine spec of that re drawn XB70 seems optimistic, 160KN thrust without afterburners, that's 10% more thrust than a J58 (SR71/A12) at full wet power, or similar power as an F119 again at full wet power.
Biz jets are getting faster. The G650 is faster than the G550. The new Citation X is bloody quick. The Global Express range is as described, Express. I'd say speed is an issue.The engine spec of that re drawn XB70 seems optimistic, 160KN thrust without afterburners, that's 10% more thrust than a J58 (SR71/A12) at full wet power, or similar power as an F119 again at full wet power.
djc206 said:
Biz jets are getting faster. The G650 is faster than the G550. The new Citation X is bloody quick. The Global Express range is as described, Express. I'd say speed is an issue.
Ok sure, jets are getting faster! Speed does play a part in the purchase, but I think other factors are usually a bigger decision maker, range, payload, fuel useage would usually be a bigger factor over speed. The jets you list are also quite similar in cost to run compared to their slower predecessors, according to Conklin & de Decker the G650 is only about $130 more per hour than the G550, if that was 10 times the cost per hour I think the speed difference becomes less important to most.
nikaiyo2 said:
Ok sure, jets are getting faster! Speed does play a part in the purchase, but I think other factors are usually a bigger decision maker, range, payload, fuel useage would usually be a bigger factor over speed.
The jets you list are also quite similar in cost to run compared to their slower predecessors, according to Conklin & de Decker the G650 is only about $130 more per hour than the G550, if that was 10 times the cost per hour I think the speed difference becomes less important to most.
I'm not saying they'd sell like hot cakes but I'm willing to be there's no shortage of incredibly rich people who'd love to land at Teterboro before they'd left Luton. If you're prepared to spend £10k/hr to get somewhere that there's dozens of scheduled flights to each day there must be a few who'd cough up a bit more.The jets you list are also quite similar in cost to run compared to their slower predecessors, according to Conklin & de Decker the G650 is only about $130 more per hour than the G550, if that was 10 times the cost per hour I think the speed difference becomes less important to most.
djc206 said:
I'm not saying they'd sell like hot cakes but I'm willing to be there's no shortage of incredibly rich people who'd love to land at Teterboro before they'd left Luton. If you're prepared to spend £10k/hr to get somewhere that there's dozens of scheduled flights to each day there must be a few who'd cough up a bit more.
I think anything close to supersonic, at the moment is an order of magnitude more costly. My old boss had/has a number of large widebody jet liners (among other jets,) I think it comes to a choice of would you rather fly with a double bed and shower with all your advisors, chef and security in absolute luxury for 5 hours or in a standard biz jet in 3? I am not saying you a wrong, some would pay the premium, but not enough to make it worth building the jet.
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