Explosions reported in Manchester?

Explosions reported in Manchester?

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ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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anonymous said:
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That would appear to be the problematic branch.

Perhaps restrictions of external funding may help i.e. reduce the influx of Saudi money. Some targetted economic sanctions could make a difference IMO.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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ferrisbueller said:
anonymous said:
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That would appear to be the problematic branch.

Perhaps restrictions of external funding may help i.e. reduce the influx of Saudi money. Some targetted economic sanctions could make a difference IMO.
Stop dealing with Saudi, stop selling arms to them, stop relying on them and stop their funding into the UK. That might help.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Alpinestars said:
I can't see anyone saying they deserved it.
They/we?

At 1103 hrs Tryke3 said "In a way we well deserve it"

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Alpinestars said:
ferrisbueller said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
That would appear to be the problematic branch.

Perhaps restrictions of external funding may help i.e. reduce the influx of Saudi money. Some targetted economic sanctions could make a difference IMO.
Stop dealing with Saudi, stop selling arms to them, stop relying on them and stop their funding into the UK. That might help.
The former isn't going to happen. The latter should be on the agenda.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Alpinestars said:
Stop dealing with Saudi, stop selling arms to them, stop relying on them and stop their funding into the UK. That might help.
Saudi pricing their oil in dollars is quite important to America.
"Invade your country" important.
The US doesn't have many other oil producing friends.

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Tryke3 said:
There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life
Japan has stopped terrorism. No Islamic attacks. And no attacks of any kind of major note this century.

The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.

Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.

gruffalo

7,509 posts

225 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Tryke3 said:
There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life
If this is so then please do tell me where places like Indonesia have chosen cash over life and why they suffer so much Islamic terrorism?


Jonmx

2,535 posts

212 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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turbobloke said:
Alpinestars said:
I can't see anyone saying they deserved it.
They/we?

At 1103 hrs Tryke3 said "In a way we well deserve it"
Yep, that was my issue. Outrageous thing to say.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Yipper said:
Tryke3 said:
There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life
Japan has stopped terrorism. No Islamic attacks. And no attacks of any kind of major note this century.

The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.

Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.
No terrorist attacks this century, but 2 in the last 20 years of the 20th century. One believed to be Sikh extremists, the other a home grown cult which is still under observation by their security services.

So why do you think Japan hasn't had any other terrorist attacks?

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

86 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Alpinestars said:
PurpleAki said:
Tryke3 said:
There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life
And you'll still preach that if someone you love gets blown to pieces will you?
Isn't that point? Everyone innocent person who gets killed has someone left to mourn them and despise the killers. So you're right.

Innocent victims on both sides.

Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 29th May 11:38
I recognise that but I don't think he will be so keen to blame the west if his loved ones are murdered by ISIS.

ferrisbueller

29,260 posts

226 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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grumbledoak said:
Alpinestars said:
Stop dealing with Saudi, stop selling arms to them, stop relying on them and stop their funding into the UK. That might help.
Saudi pricing their oil in dollars is quite important to America.
"Invade your country" important.
The US doesn't have many other oil producing friends.
Quite.

Our collective dependence on oil is a fundamental weakness. One which is very hard indeed to eliminate in the short term.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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turbobloke said:
Alpinestars said:
I can't see anyone saying they deserved it.
They/we?

At 1103 hrs Tryke3 said "In a way we well deserve it"
They. It's wasn't you or me, so not us - otherwise we'd have proven the existence of a god by posting from the other side/another life depending on your flavour of God.

They, being the girls.

Hopefully we can all agree that the killing of any innocent person is wrong. I don't care who does the killing, it's wrong.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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rscott said:
No terrorist attacks this century, but 2 in the last 20 years of the 20th century. One believed to be Sikh extremists, the other a home grown cult which is still under observation by their security services.

So why do you think Japan hasn't had any other terrorist attacks?
They don't have many immigrants, their society places huge importance on the family and collectivism and after WW2 they stopped sending forces overseas, unless they're doing humanitarian work or fighting pirates.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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It's nothing to do with their society. Fundamentally, Japan has no Muslim population and it is not bordering the Islamic world.

China has Islamic neighbours. And guess what?

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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It would be far more helpful if we all (as a society) just concentrated on the stuff we agree upon and work towards a solution that supports them. It's clear that Wahhabism and Saudi cash play an undeniable part in extremism and whether true or not, there is a perception that British Muslims are failing to fully integrate into British society. That said, community has been in rapid decline in the UK and studies have shown that multicultural communities have substantially less social cohesion, trust and social capital than homogeneous communities. As a nation need to foster those qualities we lack instead of fear and suspicion brought about by acts of terrorism.

Jonesy23

4,650 posts

135 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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While I'm sure you're all having fun replaying the same old distracting discussions that seem to pop up from the same old crew, any chance of mentioning actual news? Like ongoing arrests and so on?

I'm sure there's plenty of room in the Lounge for another half baked discussion about religion and atheism.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Jonesy23 said:
While I'm sure you're all having fun replaying the same old distracting discussions that seem to pop up from the same old crew, any chance of mentioning actual news? Like ongoing arrests and so on?

I'm sure there's plenty of room in the Lounge for another half baked discussion about religion and atheism.
Okay - there have been 14 arrests, 2 of which were since released without charge..

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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e21Mark said:
It would be far more helpful if we all (as a society) just concentrated on the stuff we agree upon and work towards a solution that supports them. It's clear that Wahhabism and Saudi cash play an undeniable part in extremism and whether true or not, there is a perception that British Muslims are failing to fully integrate into British society. That said, community has been in rapid decline in the UK and studies have shown that multicultural communities have substantially less social cohesion, trust and social capital than homogeneous communities. As a nation need to foster those qualities we lack instead of fear and suspicion brought about by acts of terrorism.
OK. How?

Burwood

18,709 posts

245 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Tryke3 said:
There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life
And I guess you don't mind me saying that you deserve a good shoeing for saying 'we deserve it'. smile

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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A trainee pilot has been arrested now

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/manchester-at...