Explosions reported in Manchester?
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El stovey said:
They don't have many immigrants, their society places huge importance on the family and collectivism and after WW2 they stopped sending forces overseas, unless they're doing humanitarian work or fighting pirates.
They've recently deployed a major ship in support of US forces in the South China Sea. Not quite a war zone, yet....Pothole said:
e21Mark said:
It would be far more helpful if we all (as a society) just concentrated on the stuff we agree upon and work towards a solution that supports them. It's clear that Wahhabism and Saudi cash play an undeniable part in extremism and whether true or not, there is a perception that British Muslims are failing to fully integrate into British society. That said, community has been in rapid decline in the UK and studies have shown that multicultural communities have substantially less social cohesion, trust and social capital than homogeneous communities. As a nation need to foster those qualities we lack instead of fear and suspicion brought about by acts of terrorism.
OK. How?Yipper said:
Japan has stopped terrorism. No Islamic attacks. And no attacks of any kind of major note this century.
The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.
Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.
You've glossed over the sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese transport system. Perpetrated by AUM a Japanese cult religious group led by Shoko Asahara.....The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.
Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.
BIANCO said:
stanwan said:
Yipper said:
Japan has stopped terrorism. No Islamic attacks. And no attacks of any kind of major note this century.
The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.
Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.
You've glossed over the sarin nerve gas attack on the Japanese transport system. Perpetrated by AUM a Japanese cult religious group led by Shoko Asahara.....The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.
Global deaths by war and terrorism have declined by roughly -98% in the past 100 years.
El stovey said:
Pothole said:
e21Mark said:
It would be far more helpful if we all (as a society) just concentrated on the stuff we agree upon and work towards a solution that supports them. It's clear that Wahhabism and Saudi cash play an undeniable part in extremism and whether true or not, there is a perception that British Muslims are failing to fully integrate into British society. That said, community has been in rapid decline in the UK and studies have shown that multicultural communities have substantially less social cohesion, trust and social capital than homogeneous communities. As a nation need to foster those qualities we lack instead of fear and suspicion brought about by acts of terrorism.
OK. How?Oakey said:
Well there's 2 ways that could go1) He wanted to do another 9.11 style attack. But then of course, its pointless since you cant get into cockpits anymore. And nowadays hijackers are likely to be rushed and kille by passengers.
2) He could just be a genuine trainee pilot who has been radicalized in the last few months.
Jonesy23 said:
While I'm sure you're all having fun replaying the same old distracting discussions that seem to pop up from the same old crew, any chance of mentioning actual news? Like ongoing arrests and so on?
The Didsbury Mosque didn't report the bomber as was quickly put about in the aftermath, but did report 3 others in the past. Their record of who they invite to speak and their links doesn't seem to support they are a humble place of worship/peace loving/preaching inclusiveness as they of course claim.On the Question Time leaflet claim, it was not there's and someone slipped that in unofficially.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40079948
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz...
Pothole said:
El stovey said:
Pothole said:
e21Mark said:
It would be far more helpful if we all (as a society) just concentrated on the stuff we agree upon and work towards a solution that supports them. It's clear that Wahhabism and Saudi cash play an undeniable part in extremism and whether true or not, there is a perception that British Muslims are failing to fully integrate into British society. That said, community has been in rapid decline in the UK and studies have shown that multicultural communities have substantially less social cohesion, trust and social capital than homogeneous communities. As a nation need to foster those qualities we lack instead of fear and suspicion brought about by acts of terrorism.
OK. How?http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/09/...
Rich_W said:
Well there's 2 ways that could go
1) He wanted to do another 9.11 style attack. But then of course, its pointless since you cant get into cockpits anymore. And nowadays hijackers are likely to be rushed and kille by passengers.
2) He could just be a genuine trainee pilot who has been radicalized in the last few months.
It doesn't say what kind of pilot he was training to be but it does make you wonder who was bankrolling him. How does a 23yr old from Libya rock up and start paying for pilot training (I'm assuming it's not exactly cheap)?1) He wanted to do another 9.11 style attack. But then of course, its pointless since you cant get into cockpits anymore. And nowadays hijackers are likely to be rushed and kille by passengers.
2) He could just be a genuine trainee pilot who has been radicalized in the last few months.
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irocfan said:
Interestingly IIRC Japan has not had one single Islamic terrorist outrage, why?
Because there is a vanishingly low Muslim population in Japan, less than 0.1% if my numbers are correct.They're not present in any significant number and therefore cannot be radicalised from within their own community and trained / plan attacks. There is no community to speak of.
All this b
ks of "they woz radicalised online innit" is just that, bks. People don't trawl the net for this kind of thing randomly. Ideas are put into their heads first, they are directed to it by other members of their community, most likely in person or something that may be as simple as handing them a leaflet, "learn about true Islam brother".
Edited by thetoxicnerve on Saturday 27th May 13:31
BIANCO said:
They do need to meet their staff diversity targets.
But even flying a small plane with as much explosives it can carry into something like the packed crowd at a festival would be catastrophic.
The next headliner at Glastonbury may be Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) in his Cessna not the Kings of Leon.
But even flying a small plane with as much explosives it can carry into something like the packed crowd at a festival would be catastrophic.
The next headliner at Glastonbury may be Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) in his Cessna not the Kings of Leon.
I don't know what security is like at big festivals, but if somebody got a car on site they could cause mayhem. Let alone a small plane. While the bombers are still around, terrorist attacks in Jerusalem and Westminster have shown just how dangerous somebody with a knife or a car can be. Both items that don't arouse suspicion when stored at home (unless it's a machette or a a spike covered car...)
machette or a a spike covered car...)Solocle said:
I don't know what security is like at big festivals, but if somebody got a car on site they could cause mayhem. Let alone a small plane. While the bombers are still around, terrorist attacks in Jerusalem and Westminster have shown just how dangerous somebody with a knife or a car can be. Both items that don't arouse suspicion when stored at home (unless it's a machette or a a spike covered car...)
You have a vivid imagination-a spike covered car. machette or a a spike covered car...)
Yipper said:
The global population has grown +300% and by 6 billion people (billion) in the past 100 years and people are living longer and healthier than ever before in 1 million years of human evolution.
Ancient humankind lived lives as long and healthy as any today. The high infant mortality rate and the morality rate of people late 20-30 (the hunters) skews the numbers.and as an aside, technical achievements of today have been built on what came before, and that comes from many sources.
El stovey said:
Stop Saudi spreading Wahhabism in mosques and force people to integrate more. It's not difficult.
Don't go to a mosque that is Saudi funded - surely that is not hard for UK muslims to work out ?If they didn't go then Saudi Arabia would stop funding mosques. Surely all these mosques are already empty anyway .....
If nobody goes how can they be accused of spreading the right / wrong message ?
Edited by del mar on Monday 29th May 18:38
El stovey said:
Stop Saudi spreading Wahhabism in mosques and force people to integrate more. It's not difficult.
Don't go to a mosque that is Saudi funded - surely that is not hard for UK muslims to work out ?If they didn't go then Saudi Arabia would stop funding mosques. Surely all these mosques are already empty anyway .....
If nobody goes how can they be accused of spreading the right / wrong message ?
Edited by del mar on Monday 29th May 18:53
del mar said:
El stovey said:
Stop Saudi spreading Wahhabism in mosques and force people to integrate more. It's not difficult.
Don't go to a mosque that is Saudi funded - surely that is not hard for UK muslims to work out ?If they didn't go then Saudi Arabia would stop funding mosques. Surely all these mosques are already empty anyway .....
If nobody goes how can they be accused of spreading the right / wrong message ?
Edited by del mar on Monday 29th May 18:38
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