Explosions reported in Manchester?
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http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-w...
If this is remotely true then I wouldnt pin this on the current government but on all that have gone before as well.
Is it true? I don't know.
Is John Pilger credible? I can't answer at the moment
If this is remotely true then I wouldnt pin this on the current government but on all that have gone before as well.
Is it true? I don't know.
Is John Pilger credible? I can't answer at the moment
desolate said:
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-w...
If this is remotely true then I wouldnt pin this on the current government but on all that have gone before as well.
Is it true? I don't know.
Is John Pilger credible? I can't answer at the moment
Nothing to do with foreign policy though. If this is remotely true then I wouldnt pin this on the current government but on all that have gone before as well.
Is it true? I don't know.
Is John Pilger credible? I can't answer at the moment
There'll be loads of political Machiavellian stuff that we will never know.
rscott said:
Deptford Draylons said:
RedTrident said:
And that's why I and many others like me no longer work in this field. It's a sad thing. The 22 that died last week in my city. 100% avoidable.
Meanwhile the diversion from our public bodies is this we stand together stuff. All admirable. And we all know the more attacks that happen the less we will stand together and good people will turn on each other.
I still cannot believe the Didsbury mosque imam that fought alongside the jihadists in Libya is allowed to freely teach our children and no one is really calling it out.
Amazing, isnt it ? You'll note the Didsbury mosque defenders who were very vocal in offering up excuses in regard to the Question Time leaflet, all gone silent.Meanwhile the diversion from our public bodies is this we stand together stuff. All admirable. And we all know the more attacks that happen the less we will stand together and good people will turn on each other.
I still cannot believe the Didsbury mosque imam that fought alongside the jihadists in Libya is allowed to freely teach our children and no one is really calling it out.
Even more amazing was the hypocritical stance they have of wanting to be seen as the good Muslims and mosque, but peddling the divisive s
t and inviting in dangerous loons.This isn't new, it isn't just post the Iraq war, this has been going on for years and was even in the streets in the 1980's with people screaming jihad while a bored policeman looked on and stopped traffic from running anyone over.
Tsubaki said:
RedTrident said:
I'm a Muslim.
But why, are you a muslim? I mean to say, what made you choose Islam over following another religion, Christianity, Judaism, Hindu etc?bad company said:
Tsubaki said:
RedTrident said:
I'm a Muslim.
But why, are you a muslim? I mean to say, what made you choose Islam over following another religion, Christianity, Judaism, Hindu etc?desolate said:
Is John Pilger credible? I can't answer at the moment
https://www.amazon.com/John-Pilger/e/B001HCU88O
RedTrident said:
2. Immediately ban the Saudis from any involvement in the teaching of UK children (you'd shed a tear if you saw the numbers of UK Muslim children being sent to private schools set up by these guys) never mind the mosques. They are brain washing a generation.
3. Prohibit any foreign born Imam from teaching in a UK mosque. The Didsbury mosque Imam at the very least fought alongside the jihadist in Libya. There's a FT article on it. You'll have to decide why more isn't being made of this.
There are no Saudi teachers at my sons private integrated c of e school ? 3. Prohibit any foreign born Imam from teaching in a UK mosque. The Didsbury mosque Imam at the very least fought alongside the jihadist in Libya. There's a FT article on it. You'll have to decide why more isn't being made of this.
The only way you will come across a Saudi teacher is to go to a specific non integrated Islamic school, which in some cases has been shown to offer a very limited view of society. That is the parents choice to do this not Saudi Arabia's.
The same with mosques, nobody forces you to go, and nobody forces you to go to one where you don't like the message. Surely the didsbury mosque will now close itself down because nobody goes anymore ? Of course not.
All religion is brainwashing, you just don't like this version of it, which doesn't mean it is wrong, just different.
As for banning Saudi mosques, you can't just ban something because you don't like it, I would want all mosques banned. To go down this route would also result in the Ahmadi being persecuted even more, there are probably more muslims who dislike them than Saudi teachings.
Nor do I see how you can ban foreign born imams, being born abroad doesn't make you a bad person...... As I have been told many times.
All the above does is try to pass all blame on to Saudi Arabia, who may or may not be guilty, it absolves the wider muslim community of any fault / blame at all. So we can send out some hashtags and messages of love until the next time.
del mar said:
bad company said:
Tsubaki said:
RedTrident said:
I'm a Muslim.
But why, are you a muslim? I mean to say, what made you choose Islam over following another religion, Christianity, Judaism, Hindu etc?
del mar said:
What is great to see ?
30,000 non muslim blasphemers ?
Or
A few hundred blocking up Oxford street for hours whilst they celebrate their own holy day ?
The latter, given the message they seemed to be trying to convey as part of their march. Lots of groups march though London and bring stuff to a halt in the process.30,000 non muslim blasphemers ?
Or
A few hundred blocking up Oxford street for hours whilst they celebrate their own holy day ?
Your point about the 30,000 is well made though. The poster who mentioned them first tried to suggest that 30,000 had been on the streets to protest, when this was CLEARLY not the case.
andymadmak said:
The poster who mentioned them first tried to suggest that 30,000 had been on the streets to protest, when this was CLEARLY not the case.
Probably worth mentioning that this figure wasn't mentioned as being in reaction to the atrocity in Manchester.http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ahmadiyya-fe...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1611300/more-than-30...
del mar said:
As for banning Saudi mosques, you can't just ban something because you don't like it, I would want all mosques banned.
Although I think the motive for wanting to ban Saudi funded mosques is more to do with Wahhabism and their extremist preaching than simply not liking it.del mar said:
There are no Saudi teachers at my sons private integrated c of e school ?
The only way you will come across a Saudi teacher is to go to a specific non integrated Islamic school, which in some cases has been shown to offer a very limited view of society. That is the parents choice to do this not Saudi Arabia's.
The same with mosques, nobody forces you to go, and nobody forces you to go to one where you don't like the message. Surely the didsbury mosque will now close itself down because nobody goes anymore ? Of course not.
All religion is brainwashing, you just don't like this version of it, which doesn't mean it is wrong, just different.
As for banning Saudi mosques, you can't just ban something because you don't like it, I would want all mosques banned. To go down this route would also result in the Ahmadi being persecuted even more, there are probably more muslims who dislike them than Saudi teachings.
Nor do I see how you can ban foreign born imams, being born abroad doesn't make you a bad person...... As I have been told many times.
All the above does is try to pass all blame on to Saudi Arabia, who may or may not be guilty, it absolves the wider muslim community of any fault / blame at all. So we can send out some hashtags and messages of love until the next time.
If you saw the curriculum in the Saudi sponsored private schools then you'd have an appreciation that they are nothing like a regular CofE school and therefore this really shouldn't be discussed in the wider context of the role of faith in civic life.The only way you will come across a Saudi teacher is to go to a specific non integrated Islamic school, which in some cases has been shown to offer a very limited view of society. That is the parents choice to do this not Saudi Arabia's.
The same with mosques, nobody forces you to go, and nobody forces you to go to one where you don't like the message. Surely the didsbury mosque will now close itself down because nobody goes anymore ? Of course not.
All religion is brainwashing, you just don't like this version of it, which doesn't mean it is wrong, just different.
As for banning Saudi mosques, you can't just ban something because you don't like it, I would want all mosques banned. To go down this route would also result in the Ahmadi being persecuted even more, there are probably more muslims who dislike them than Saudi teachings.
Nor do I see how you can ban foreign born imams, being born abroad doesn't make you a bad person...... As I have been told many times.
All the above does is try to pass all blame on to Saudi Arabia, who may or may not be guilty, it absolves the wider muslim community of any fault / blame at all. So we can send out some hashtags and messages of love until the next time.
As you've suggested you'd also see that they are not integrated. Positive interactions with people of difference builds tolerance. Again it's been kept quiet, the bomber, he went to Burnage Boys School. Whilst a state school, Burnage is the city council's back door answer to an Islamic boys school. Even the Principal is a revert. The Muslim girls equivalent also exists in Manchester.
Separate our children, teach them through an anti colonial lens, educate them as if they are the oppressed and that the people that have loyalty to them are those of 'the faith' rather than the state in which they live. Do all of these things day in day out and you begin to appreciate the strategy. A strategy that separates the hearts and minds of our children and facilitates the brainwashing of a generation.
Of course the government has the power to legislate.
As to why parents send their children to such schools. For many they have cultural status in these communities. You need to understand, these organisations and these people have been working at this for a long time.
Regarding the imams. It's straight forward legislation. And of course the mosque will be full this week and next. Not one politician has questioned the link. I'm waiting for a visit from Andy Burnham to the mosque to quietly settle this matter and for them to continue as is. Again, if you read what I earlier said regarding infiltration of the Labour Party.
I don't see why anyone who is responsible for educating our children should not be fully vetted and we ensure they have no associations with extremist organisations.
I'm not asking to ban something because I don't like it. I'm asking that our government legislate to protect our country from extremists.
We prevent pedophiles from having access to children. We've banned creationism in schools. We can legislate against extremists having access to our children and exposing them to their ideology.
You all should be scared. I have been for a long time. This is no conspiracy theory.
I though this was well written and expressed by Hett's brother.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man...
///ajd said:
I though this was well written and expressed by Hett's brother.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man...
I understand his sentiment and can sympathise with why he would not wish his own brother's death to be used as an excuse for a blanket ban on immigration, but to say immigration has nothing to do with the events it's wrong.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man...
Clearly, the attacker (if not his aides - we don't know yet) was British born, but that blunt truth hides a multitude of complexity in terms of influences, background, beliefs and culture. In many respects, the attacker was culturally less British, or Western than a Polish immigrant.
The fact that he was British born - which is merely coincidental to the main point of him being a useful idiot or pawn - should not detract from the truths already being pointed out here about the cultural undermining of the UK by external influences.
RedTrident said:
I don't see why anyone who is responsible for educating our children should not be fully vetted and we ensure they have no associations with extremist organisations.
Faith schools are a concept I have never agreed with myself. Growing up I was only aware of Catholic schools but, as you say, as children we start to form our own opinions on ideology dependent on what we are told. Whilst I have no problem with children learning about religion (that's ALL religions) I don't think they should be guided towards any specific one. If it's a cultural thing then this should be down to the family NOT the state education system.Edited by e21Mark on Thursday 1st June 11:54
RedTrident said:
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As you've suggested you'd also see that they are not integrated. Positive interactions with people of difference builds tolerance. Again it's been kept quiet, the bomber, he went to Burnage Boys School. Whilst a state school, Burnage is the city council's back door answer to an Islamic boys school. Even the Principal is a revert. The Muslim girls equivalent also exists in Manchester.
I don't understand your comments about Burnage School. Are you suggesting that it's a hotbed of fundamentalism? As you've suggested you'd also see that they are not integrated. Positive interactions with people of difference builds tolerance. Again it's been kept quiet, the bomber, he went to Burnage Boys School. Whilst a state school, Burnage is the city council's back door answer to an Islamic boys school. Even the Principal is a revert. The Muslim girls equivalent also exists in Manchester.
https://www.burnage.manchester.sch.uk/
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