Explosions reported in Manchester?
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Countdown said:
Somebody who's converted to Islam.
It's based on the assumption that everybody is born "muslim" and some people only realise they are muslim later in life, at which point they "revert".....
Well you learn something everyday.It's based on the assumption that everybody is born "muslim" and some people only realise they are muslim later in life, at which point they "revert".....
Given the number of non-muslim sounding names on the staff list it makes you wonder how you many others there are.
I had my first proper job in Burnage. It was rough as anything, but there wasn't much bombing.
Red Trident has made some superb points about the education system. Similar points got raised after that channel 4 documentary about Islamic schools in Birmingham a few years back.
https://vimeo.com/199318905
We simply cannot allow this sort of teachings in modern Britain, they are divisive, and create the opposite of a cohesive society.
https://vimeo.com/199318905
We simply cannot allow this sort of teachings in modern Britain, they are divisive, and create the opposite of a cohesive society.
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Edited by dudleybloke on Friday 2nd June 12:20
dudleybloke said:
Red Trident has made some superb points about the education system. Similar points got raised after that channel 4 documentary about Islamic schools in Birmingham a few years back.
https://vimeo.com/19598947
We simply cannot allow this sort of teachings in modern Britain, they are divisive, and create the opposite of a cohesive society.
I would humbly point out that the issue with Birmingham schools was realised by many people in Birmingham. The problem was that if you raised this you were immediately accused of being racist. I would also humbly point out that I know this because I live here and I would also humbly point out that some of the LOUDEST accusers of racism are in fact white trendies of which Birmingham is riddledhttps://vimeo.com/19598947
We simply cannot allow this sort of teachings in modern Britain, they are divisive, and create the opposite of a cohesive society.
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RedTrident said:
If you saw the curriculum in the Saudi sponsored private schools then you'd have an appreciation that they are nothing like a regular CofE school and therefore this really shouldn't be discussed in the wider context of the role of faith in civic life.
As you've suggested you'd also see that they are not integrated. Positive interactions with people of difference builds tolerance. Again it's been kept quiet, the bomber, he went to Burnage Boys School. Whilst a state school, Burnage is the city council's back door answer to an Islamic boys school. Even the Principal is a revert. The Muslim girls equivalent also exists in Manchester.
Separate our children, teach them through an anti colonial lens, educate them as if they are the oppressed and that the people that have loyalty to them are those of 'the faith' rather than the state in which they live. Do all of these things day in day out and you begin to appreciate the strategy. A strategy that separates the hearts and minds of our children and facilitates the brainwashing of a generation.
Of course the government has the power to legislate.
As to why parents send their children to such schools. For many they have cultural status in these communities. You need to understand, these organisations and these people have been working at this for a long time.
Regarding the imams. It's straight forward legislation. And of course the mosque will be full this week and next. Not one politician has questioned the link. I'm waiting for a visit from Andy Burnham to the mosque to quietly settle this matter and for them to continue as is. Again, if you read what I earlier said regarding infiltration of the Labour Party.
I don't see why anyone who is responsible for educating our children should not be fully vetted and we ensure they have no associations with extremist organisations.
I'm not asking to ban something because I don't like it. I'm asking that our government legislate to protect our country from extremists.
We prevent pedophiles from having access to children. We've banned creationism in schools. We can legislate against extremists having access to our children and exposing them to their ideology.
You all should be scared. I have been for a long time. This is no conspiracy theory.
I have often thought that places where religion is followed, be it a church, a temple or a mosque should be licenced and subject to inspections.As you've suggested you'd also see that they are not integrated. Positive interactions with people of difference builds tolerance. Again it's been kept quiet, the bomber, he went to Burnage Boys School. Whilst a state school, Burnage is the city council's back door answer to an Islamic boys school. Even the Principal is a revert. The Muslim girls equivalent also exists in Manchester.
Separate our children, teach them through an anti colonial lens, educate them as if they are the oppressed and that the people that have loyalty to them are those of 'the faith' rather than the state in which they live. Do all of these things day in day out and you begin to appreciate the strategy. A strategy that separates the hearts and minds of our children and facilitates the brainwashing of a generation.
Of course the government has the power to legislate.
As to why parents send their children to such schools. For many they have cultural status in these communities. You need to understand, these organisations and these people have been working at this for a long time.
Regarding the imams. It's straight forward legislation. And of course the mosque will be full this week and next. Not one politician has questioned the link. I'm waiting for a visit from Andy Burnham to the mosque to quietly settle this matter and for them to continue as is. Again, if you read what I earlier said regarding infiltration of the Labour Party.
I don't see why anyone who is responsible for educating our children should not be fully vetted and we ensure they have no associations with extremist organisations.
I'm not asking to ban something because I don't like it. I'm asking that our government legislate to protect our country from extremists.
We prevent pedophiles from having access to children. We've banned creationism in schools. We can legislate against extremists having access to our children and exposing them to their ideology.
You all should be scared. I have been for a long time. This is no conspiracy theory.
If you breach the, to be determined, rules then the licence is revoked and your place of worship closed.
I hadn't realised that Ofsted were so lax in schools.
FFS.
laserservo said:
techiedave said:
I would humbly point out that the issue with Birmingham schools was realised by many people in Birmingham. The problem was that if you raised this you were immediately accused of being racist. I would also humbly point out that I know this because I live here and I would also humbly point out that some of the LOUDEST accusers of racism are in fact white trendies of which Birmingham is riddled
the cases have collapsed so those claiming it was a trojan hoax are feeling vindicated. Murky businesshttps://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/30/...
anonymous said:
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To be frank - I was thinking tin foil hat as well, but I something doesn't add up. I am thinking it more "unintended consequences" than genuine collusion but as it stands I just can't square the notion that someone who was reported multiple times, with the connections (family and otherwise) he evidently had can freely move between here and Libya without someone clocking it.Countdown said:
I don't understand your comments about Burnage School. Are you suggesting that it's a hotbed of fundamentalism?
https://www.burnage.manchester.sch.uk/
I'm suggesting that it's a back door Islamic school that separates Muslim boys from the rest of society. My belief is that under such circumstances it is easier to radicalise Muslim young people. In a progressive city such as mine, with the global challenges that we face, I do not believe that we should separate Muslim children by gender or by faith. Where do these boys get a positive appreciation of the other from? https://www.burnage.manchester.sch.uk/
I can't seem to find the breakdown of demographics but this bit is lifted from the 2010 ofsted stats.
'over 90% of the school's students are from ethnic minorities, and over 64% are of South Asian heritage with more than 50% of all students speaking English as an additional language.'
None of these factors are getting the mainstream media attention they should be imo.
As for is it a hotbed for fundamentalism, I'd ask the question a different way. Are the views prevalent in such a place the issues that extremist recruiters use to draw our children to their causes? If you ask me that question I would say yes, 100% yes.
e21Mark said:
This. Although I don't think we should separate any children by faith. Muslim or otherwise.
I've had this conversation for the last 15 years mate. I always go back to this point. The Muslim boys at Burnage. The state has only one opportunity to inform the thinking and experiences of its citizens, whilst it educates them as children. Those Burnage Boys and the Muslim girls equivalent as a consequence of the make up of their schools will have virtually no opportunities for positive engagement with people that are different to them. They won't get it at school and they are even less likely to get it at home.
One of the stages of radicalisation is the separation from the other. The purpose of this stage is so that it becomes easier to dehumanise and therefore easier to harm. There's no need to even do that here. The state through its actions has created a fertile breeding ground.
If I had my way I wouldn't have any faith schools. But some faith schools leave our children more disadvantaged and more vulnerable than others do. My daughter will likely go to a local CofE school, it's an irrelevance to me as it's the local decent school and there are children from all backgrounds there. That is never the case with a single Muslim school. Never.
BlackLabel said:
So far we have multiple (5?) calls to the anti terror hotline, the bombers father a known member of a Libyan jihadi group, multiple trips back and forth to Libya and returned from the last one only days before blowing himself up, member of a mosque which preached hatred against Jews, the West etc and now a warning from the FBI only months before the attack. I know they must be overstretched however it's not looking great for the security agencies at the moment.
And now this:"The Manchester bomber Salman Abedi made repeated prison visits to a convicted Libyan jihadist in the months leading to the attack.
The terrorist regularly went to see Abdalraouf Abdallah, who was jailed after trying to help other Manchester-based fanatics join extremists in Syria.
Abedi, 22, visited privately-run Altcourse Prison in Liverpool up to three times this year. His last trip was in March, but it is understood it was not ‘red flagged’ because Abedi was not on a terror watch list.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4564276/Ma...
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