Max power in various modes
Discussion
Had what can only be considered a tuned Astra VXR right up my rear on the dual carriage way this evening. Barely keeping ahead by virtue of PDK and he was with a passenger.
I was in sports mode - had I been in sport plus I would have had a bit more punch.
So this led me to thinking - in the Cayman S max power is listed as 325bhp - is this only available in sport plus mode? and what sort of power output am I looking at in sport and normal mode then?
I was in sports mode - had I been in sport plus I would have had a bit more punch.
So this led me to thinking - in the Cayman S max power is listed as 325bhp - is this only available in sport plus mode? and what sort of power output am I looking at in sport and normal mode then?
All modes are the same bhp , today's hot hatches are faster just don't race them, most turbo's are chipped with big torque.
I ran a 430 bhp car with 430lb/ft it would piss on anything back then.
Is is fun when you catch up a 911 they see you and like all 911 owners, they don't move over and just floor it, one then has to flash them over :-)
I ran a 430 bhp car with 430lb/ft it would piss on anything back then.
Is is fun when you catch up a 911 they see you and like all 911 owners, they don't move over and just floor it, one then has to flash them over :-)
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 23 May 22:56
Nice thread timing - I just had a Mk7 Golf GTI so close up my backside he could have reached forward and changed the radio station.
I must confess to resorting to being a snob and thinking, "I'm in a f
king Porsche - who cares he is that fast" - but that was really just to make me feel a little better after knowing he will be feeling all Billy Big bks now for clinging to the rear of a Porsche, ha ha. 
(have to make myself feel better somehow!)
In my defence, I didn't change down a gear and gun it which would have probably pulled me away a little, but I did hold the current gear for a lot longer than I had planned, to try and pull away a little.
I just have to remember that if I wanted to race hot hatches then I would have bought a Nissan GTR instead.
I must confess to resorting to being a snob and thinking, "I'm in a f
king Porsche - who cares he is that fast" - but that was really just to make me feel a little better after knowing he will be feeling all Billy Big bks now for clinging to the rear of a Porsche, ha ha. (have to make myself feel better somehow!)In my defence, I didn't change down a gear and gun it which would have probably pulled me away a little, but I did hold the current gear for a lot longer than I had planned, to try and pull away a little.
I just have to remember that if I wanted to race hot hatches then I would have bought a Nissan GTR instead.
In years gone by the gulf was so much bigger between a Porsche and a "normal" car, my old 1984 Carrera 3.2 would pull over 140mph and probably mid to low 5's to 60...when that was new there were loads of mini's and morris minors on the road, the Carrera would have blown them in to the weeds.
I remember a Golf Gti doing a fairly good job of keeping up with my Cerbera speed 6 when that was brand new, I would pull car lengths on a B road but the golf soon caught up unless I was prepared to exceed 100mph.
Now, a hot hatch can easily keep a Boxster or Cayman very honest as they can put out over 300bhp and more torque from a modern turbo engine.
I remember a Golf Gti doing a fairly good job of keeping up with my Cerbera speed 6 when that was brand new, I would pull car lengths on a B road but the golf soon caught up unless I was prepared to exceed 100mph.
Now, a hot hatch can easily keep a Boxster or Cayman very honest as they can put out over 300bhp and more torque from a modern turbo engine.
In this situation I have adopted the following strategy on the dual carriageway between the village where I live and the nearby town, it's about 6 miles long and has 4 roundabouts on it and one at either end; it works best when the road isn't too busy, which as I do most of my Porsche driving in the evenings or at weekends is usually the case.
1. Immediately pull into the inside lane and wave cheerily at the other guy acknowledging that he is indeed in a very fast car.
2. Keep going at a reasonable speed as we approach the roundabout.
3. Brake late and trail slightly into the roundabout - maintain speed through the roundabout, keeping to outside lane of roundabout (i.e. the inside lane of the carriageway.)
4. Accelerate hard back up to a reasonable speed
5. Wait for hotshot to catch up again, wave cheerily again as he passes.
Repeat as necessary.
Some hot hatches do have trick diffs, but most drivers brake early and lift off through the bend.
Above all remain good humoured and don't get sucked into any true silliness. I can do this while keeping to within sight of the speed limit.
1. Immediately pull into the inside lane and wave cheerily at the other guy acknowledging that he is indeed in a very fast car.
2. Keep going at a reasonable speed as we approach the roundabout.
3. Brake late and trail slightly into the roundabout - maintain speed through the roundabout, keeping to outside lane of roundabout (i.e. the inside lane of the carriageway.)
4. Accelerate hard back up to a reasonable speed
5. Wait for hotshot to catch up again, wave cheerily again as he passes.
Repeat as necessary.
Some hot hatches do have trick diffs, but most drivers brake early and lift off through the bend.
Above all remain good humoured and don't get sucked into any true silliness. I can do this while keeping to within sight of the speed limit.
Haha. I used to do a version of that in my Mini. Be doing the speed limit around town with someone two inches off my rear, get to a corner and continue around it at exactly 30mph, wait a gratifyingly long time for whatever it was to reappear in my mirror. Good times.
It works quite well in Porsches too
It works quite well in Porsches too
MagicRat said:
Haha. I used to do a version of that in my Mini. Be doing the speed limit around town with someone two inches off my rear, get to a corner and continue around it at exactly 30mph, wait a gratifyingly long time for whatever it was to reappear in my mirror. Good times.
It works quite well in Porsches too
I learned such a lot by owning much slower machinery when I was younger - including Minis. If you kept a Mini wound up, you could give people a fair few surprises...just not on the straights...or a hill...or indeed any minor incline! Ha ha.It works quite well in Porsches too
These days it seems easier to jump into a car that 'does it all for you' so people don't learn the value of carrying speed and balance - braking far too much then gunning it away again.
I don't mind a little bit of fun with someone who is also having a little bit of fun, but there is a worrying large percentage of drivers who seem oblivious to the risks and dangers to themselves and others and will drive like utter lunatics just to prove a point. The best practice in that situation is to remove yourself from it as soon as possible - either by dropping right off them or drop them ASAP.
If I'd done the slightest unexpected thing in my story above from today, Mr.GTI would be having a difficult conversation with his insurance company...and my OPC when he got the bill!
pete.g said:
In this situation I have adopted the following strategy on the dual carriageway between the village where I live and the nearby town, it's about 6 miles long and has 4 roundabouts on it and one at either end; it works best when the road isn't too busy, which as I do most of my Porsche driving in the evenings or at weekends is usually the case.
1. Immediately pull into the inside lane and wave cheerily at the other guy acknowledging that he is indeed in a very fast car.
2. Keep going at a reasonable speed as we approach the roundabout.
3. Brake late and trail slightly into the roundabout - maintain speed through the roundabout, keeping to outside lane of roundabout (i.e. the inside lane of the carriageway.)
4. Accelerate hard back up to a reasonable speed
5. Wait for hotshot to catch up again, wave cheerily again as he passes.
Repeat as necessary.
Some hot hatches do have trick diffs, but most drivers brake early and lift off through the bend.
Above all remain good humoured and don't get sucked into any true silliness. I can do this while keeping to within sight of the speed limit.
I doubt any one lifts off though the bend other wise they would be backwards through it !!!1. Immediately pull into the inside lane and wave cheerily at the other guy acknowledging that he is indeed in a very fast car.
2. Keep going at a reasonable speed as we approach the roundabout.
3. Brake late and trail slightly into the roundabout - maintain speed through the roundabout, keeping to outside lane of roundabout (i.e. the inside lane of the carriageway.)
4. Accelerate hard back up to a reasonable speed
5. Wait for hotshot to catch up again, wave cheerily again as he passes.
Repeat as necessary.
Some hot hatches do have trick diffs, but most drivers brake early and lift off through the bend.
Above all remain good humoured and don't get sucked into any true silliness. I can do this while keeping to within sight of the speed limit.
:-)
Porsche911R said:
I doubt any one lifts off though the bend other wise they would be backwards through it !!!
:-)
I think most hot hatches (FWD ones anyway) would tuck-in their front ends when lifting off. :-)
If you lift off really agressively then there is a change of lift-off oversteer but that is easily controlled with a FWD car.
At least, that has been my experience with hot hatches.
Learnt a long, long time ago to never try to outrun a car behind me.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a busy dual carriageway or motorway, I'll pull over to let them through if I'm in a busy outside lane.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a single road, I'll maintain my reasonable speed. If they get dangerously close, or show signs of aggression or whatever, I may even pull in when convenient to let them past.
Usually people pulling up that close behind means they want to race. If they want to race, it usually means they have the power:weight ratio to do so. Trying to pull away usually ends in not being able to pull away.
I've found in my two months of Porsche ownership in the 718 CS that I'm driving more slowly and with greater relaxation on the motorways and dual-carriageways than in many many years of motoring. Somehow I don't feel the need to go quickly or try to outrun anyone. The car shouts enough just by the way it looks.
On the B roads, I'll press on when safe, as this car is built for the twisties and that is where so much reward from the chassis is to be found. But I'll not press on in an effort to outrun anyone on the twisties either.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a busy dual carriageway or motorway, I'll pull over to let them through if I'm in a busy outside lane.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a single road, I'll maintain my reasonable speed. If they get dangerously close, or show signs of aggression or whatever, I may even pull in when convenient to let them past.
Usually people pulling up that close behind means they want to race. If they want to race, it usually means they have the power:weight ratio to do so. Trying to pull away usually ends in not being able to pull away.
I've found in my two months of Porsche ownership in the 718 CS that I'm driving more slowly and with greater relaxation on the motorways and dual-carriageways than in many many years of motoring. Somehow I don't feel the need to go quickly or try to outrun anyone. The car shouts enough just by the way it looks.
On the B roads, I'll press on when safe, as this car is built for the twisties and that is where so much reward from the chassis is to be found. But I'll not press on in an effort to outrun anyone on the twisties either.
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 24th May 16:26
Tim bo said:
Learnt a long, long time ago to never try to outrun a car behind me.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a busy dual carriageway or motorway, I'll pull over to let them through if I'm in a busy outside lane.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a single road, I'll maintain my reasonable speed. If they get dangerously close, or show signs of aggression or whatever, I may even pull in when convenient to let them past.
Usually people pulling up that close behind means they want to race. If they want to race, it usually means they have the power:weight ratio to do so. Trying to pull away usually ends in not being able to pull away.
I've found in my two months of Porsche ownership in the 718 CS that I'm driving more slowly and with greater relaxation on the motorways and dual-carriageways than in many many years of motoring. Somehow I don't feel the need to try to outrun anyone. The car shouts enough just by the way it looks.
On the B roads, I'll press on when safe, as this car is built for the twisties and that is where so much reward from the chassis is to be found. But I'll not press on in an effort to outrun anyone on the twisties either.
My thoughts exactly. Unless you're trying to pull away from a Daewoo Matiz the reality is you'll need to be going very fast for a long time to put a decent distance between you and someone who's trying to keep up.If anyone pulls up my chuff on a busy dual carriageway or motorway, I'll pull over to let them through if I'm in a busy outside lane.
If anyone pulls up my chuff on a single road, I'll maintain my reasonable speed. If they get dangerously close, or show signs of aggression or whatever, I may even pull in when convenient to let them past.
Usually people pulling up that close behind means they want to race. If they want to race, it usually means they have the power:weight ratio to do so. Trying to pull away usually ends in not being able to pull away.
I've found in my two months of Porsche ownership in the 718 CS that I'm driving more slowly and with greater relaxation on the motorways and dual-carriageways than in many many years of motoring. Somehow I don't feel the need to try to outrun anyone. The car shouts enough just by the way it looks.
On the B roads, I'll press on when safe, as this car is built for the twisties and that is where so much reward from the chassis is to be found. But I'll not press on in an effort to outrun anyone on the twisties either.
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 24th May 16:20
So, the moral is, race Matizs all day long, anything else, don't bother.
Quite simply, if someone is driving three inches from your bumper then its clear they have no clue and are not very good drivers.
Best to let them get away as fast as they can by indicating left and letting them pass.
Sometimes this can work in your favour and they can be used as bait for unmarked cops and speed traps
Best to let them get away as fast as they can by indicating left and letting them pass.
Sometimes this can work in your favour and they can be used as bait for unmarked cops and speed traps
at some of the comments.
v8ksn said:
Porsche911R said:
I doubt any one lifts off though the bend other wise they would be backwards through it !!!
:-)
I think most hot hatches (FWD ones anyway) would tuck-in their front ends when lifting off. :-)
If you lift off really agressively then there is a change of lift-off oversteer but that is easily controlled with a FWD car.
At least, that has been my experience with hot hatches.
But its far more fun in a RWD mid engine car, with a way better driving position, N/A motor screaming away behind you, and having a really nice balance. Sometimes its more about feel and fun than speed.
bcr5784 said:
I don't think that's true of modern hot hatches - stability controls have put paid to that. Certainly was true of early Golf GTis and Peugeot 205GTIs I know for a fact...
stability controls cannot defy the laws of physics if you lift off mid bend at speed, because racing was where this was coming from ! it's not going to end well if you do nothing.My GF spun my car twice on round abouts !
The modern hot hatch is very playfull. I am not talking a 118D or basic cars here.
FWD is a skill on it's own most under steer then people lift and you get crazy lift off over steer.
https://youtu.be/yLffeOpQTjg
my post was really in reply to the Cayman who stated he gets GTi the on the bends, when really the GTi is prob faster and has bigger better brakes.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 24th May 19:27
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