UK terror threat level raised to critical!
Discussion
Globs said:
La Liga said:
Globs said:
Checkout the victims being carried back toward the club.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoS70jWqXSQ at 1:10
So? What does that prove? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoS70jWqXSQ at 1:10
How do you or the narrator know they weren't directed in that direction towards medical help? At what point was that filmed? After the risk was removed? Was it a safe sterile area?
They are walking north toward the club, but the nearest hospital is just 5 blocks to the north.
The local police should know that - shouldn't they, sitting in their cars with the flashing lights?
- Why are they being carried?
- Where are the ambulances, the stretchers?
- Where are the medics?
- The drips?
- The police helping?
WP said:
After the shooting, doctors recalled patients who arrived “by the truckload,” riddled with bullets and gunshot wounds.
But we see no trucks, no riddling, no blood, no wailing, just the plucky survivors doggedly walking to the club. You'd expect at least a police car to stop and give them a lift - wouldn't you?Some other interesting questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNm0mjrph1Q
Here is the map of the area
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/PULSE/@28.5195...
What do you think?
Alex_225 said:
To be credible in any way you have to be open minded rather than focusses purely on one point of view.
So anyone who is 100% convinced that the mainstream media is the truth and nothing but the truth are as daft and/or ignorant as someone who is 100% that everything is a conspiracy is similarly ignorant. In my opinion of course.
I am open to hear theories and am open minded to the fact that I'm sure there are some incomprehensible things that take place in this world. At the same time it's being open minded in all aspects.
And after the 100th version of the same tired truther BS? Do you have an open mind that the bombing was 'false flag'? Do you think the planes that hit the WTC were remote controlled? Were they secretly rigged for demolition? Did the US fake the moon landings?So anyone who is 100% convinced that the mainstream media is the truth and nothing but the truth are as daft and/or ignorant as someone who is 100% that everything is a conspiracy is similarly ignorant. In my opinion of course.
I am open to hear theories and am open minded to the fact that I'm sure there are some incomprehensible things that take place in this world. At the same time it's being open minded in all aspects.
You are exhibiting exactly the behaviour described
Rovinghawk said:
What he said was: don't believe everything you hear, don't disbelieve everything either.
Nullius in verba he was not saying.If you read/understood the context you would know that.
If you have read the context and don't understand please ask for help.
If you haven't read it, please do.
If you have read it and think you understand, then a lot of your police rants make more sense now, but not in a good way.
wsurfa said:
In this case there will be the usual WTC 7 had no damage/no real fire/the jews did it and when shown evidence to the contrary /snipped.
I am curious, having seen the videos of building 7 collapsing, what evidence is it you are referring too that proves the official story (tbh, i cant remember what the official explanation was) and disproves the theory that the building was brought down in a controlled demolition?It certainly doesnt appear to be a normal way for a building like that to respond to fire.
There's a world of difference between being critical about what the authorities tell us and asking questions, and using some obviously flawed YouTube clips as 'evidence' to support wild conspiracy theories.
It's mildly amusing to see these 'truther' people rant on the internet, but it's a little more sinister when the Dad of a murdered 6 year old is being harassed for having a murdered son: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/02/sa...
It's mildly amusing to see these 'truther' people rant on the internet, but it's a little more sinister when the Dad of a murdered 6 year old is being harassed for having a murdered son: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/02/sa...
wsurfa said:
And after the 100th version of the same tired truther BS? Do you have an open mind that the bombing was 'false flag'? Do you think the planes that hit the WTC were remote controlled? Were they secretly rigged for demolition? Did the US fake the moon landings?
You are exhibiting exactly the behaviour described
I'll be honest, from the wording of your message I'm not inclined to answer directly as I suspect your next response will be damning it. You are exhibiting exactly the behaviour described
I am open minded, I do question things and I'm within my rights to have an opinion. I'm not exhibiting any kind of behaviour, I haven't tried to persuade anyone to be anything other than considered.
Also, as mentioned in my previous post on here. There's no disrespect for those who have lost lives or loved ones in either this tragedy or others that have gone before so I don't quite get the animosity towards a perfectly polite post.
Thank-you to the more open minded people in the thread.
If you believe we live in a free country why are you and others going tribal and shouting me down?
I understand the aggression, insults and naked hostility in this thread, it's the basic symptom of fear. It can be difficult for some to realise their ordered world doesn't work like they thought it does and false flags are difficult to accept for those who trust authority. Have some tolerance for people who want to find the actual murderers, for those who value lives in the middle east as much as lives at home; if you can. We will not stop the killing by any other means.
We know our government lies to us. Big lies.
IRAQ: a million dead, thousands of our soldiers killed and maimed, a land polluted for centuries.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/iraq-war-...
All on a big LIE, which they cemented by murdering David Kelly, the man standing between neocon Blair and his war.
Back then I was also being shouted down for being 'unpatriotic' and 'weak' as I explained that no good could come of this neocon war by Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld.
How many of you supported that war of aggression?
Much faith is needed to think the murderers of over a million people in Iraq will hesitate to kill a few of us here and there.
I haven't got that faith, If you have: fine, but don't have a go at me for not trusting an establishment that lied and killed so many, so recently, so easily. We remember the holocaust in Germany, but forget the holocaust in Iraq than we created only recently.
Blair is still rich, free and smiling, our government is happy to let him continue getting richer. he has a big smile.
Then there was the Syrian vote, we NEEDED to attack Syria right away - do you remember?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/30/c...
Now it turns out that we were/are aiding Al Qaeda terrorists, helping them murder the Syrians, while also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia - against UK law - that we know will be used to blow apart men women and children in Yemen and fall into ISIS hands and take more innocent lives.
Yet here I am, objecting to this, being insulted and jeered, and told that I'm a s
t - because I'm interested in truth and consider all lives to be equal, not like the herd that ignored the people we kill abroad. While I'm being attacked people are still trusting a government they know lied to them over Iraq, a government that also runs down fire stations, underfunds the NHS and STILL supports funding terrorism abroad.
False flags are not always without casualty, I never said they were, in fact there were around 3000 casualties (and still rising) from 9/11. Someone said earlier that I didn't 'understand' about WTC7, but nearly 3000 architects and engineers don't 'understand' it either.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
9/11 was important because it was the excuse used to destroy Afghanistan and Iraq, and then roll into Libya, Yemen, Syria for the ultimate target of Saudisreal: Iran.
Everyone agrees that 9/11 WAS a conspiracy, we are just arguing about who had motive, means and opportunity. Some are taught that it was a conspiracy by Osama, a bearded guy on a hill and some fellow Saudis.
Think about this official conspiracy theory: The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.
Who did we attack?: Afghanistan and Iraq.
Can you see the problem here? Blame country A, Attack countries B and C.
Then you look at Flight 93 that fell short of WTC7.
The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
Who had access to WTC7? It wasn't the Afghans, the Iraqis or even the Saudis, it was guarded by the secret services and an Israeli security firm, and it's fall was witnessed by the dancing Israelis.
Whatever you think about WTC7, it wasn't done by the people we attacked in revenge, it wasn't even blamed on them, it was brought down by people with motive, means and opportunity: Logically there is no other answer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/06/s...
So lets not blindly trust the government's conspiracy theories, because on WTC7 that doesn't add up, and it hasn't added up on any of the middle eastern operations, or the Ukraine ones, or the Russian ones.
Currently they are still telling us the Russians hacked the DNC, despite Seth Rich (deceased) having now been shown to have sent 45,000 emails to the (deceased) Wikileaks editor after he became upset about them locking Bernie Sanders out.
A better question is: "What content from the BBC/government can we actually trust?"
Because since Iraq we have known they lie about big things involving the death of millions.
wsurfa said:
Unlike you, maybe I'm a copper, does that help? 
I'm not the enemy, even if your conditioning makes you see me as such. I'm actually your best friend.If you believe we live in a free country why are you and others going tribal and shouting me down?
I understand the aggression, insults and naked hostility in this thread, it's the basic symptom of fear. It can be difficult for some to realise their ordered world doesn't work like they thought it does and false flags are difficult to accept for those who trust authority. Have some tolerance for people who want to find the actual murderers, for those who value lives in the middle east as much as lives at home; if you can. We will not stop the killing by any other means.
We know our government lies to us. Big lies.
IRAQ: a million dead, thousands of our soldiers killed and maimed, a land polluted for centuries.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/iraq-war-...
All on a big LIE, which they cemented by murdering David Kelly, the man standing between neocon Blair and his war.
Back then I was also being shouted down for being 'unpatriotic' and 'weak' as I explained that no good could come of this neocon war by Blair, Cheney, Rumsfeld.
How many of you supported that war of aggression?
Much faith is needed to think the murderers of over a million people in Iraq will hesitate to kill a few of us here and there.
I haven't got that faith, If you have: fine, but don't have a go at me for not trusting an establishment that lied and killed so many, so recently, so easily. We remember the holocaust in Germany, but forget the holocaust in Iraq than we created only recently.
Blair is still rich, free and smiling, our government is happy to let him continue getting richer. he has a big smile.
Then there was the Syrian vote, we NEEDED to attack Syria right away - do you remember?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/30/c...
Now it turns out that we were/are aiding Al Qaeda terrorists, helping them murder the Syrians, while also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia - against UK law - that we know will be used to blow apart men women and children in Yemen and fall into ISIS hands and take more innocent lives.
Yet here I am, objecting to this, being insulted and jeered, and told that I'm a s
t - because I'm interested in truth and consider all lives to be equal, not like the herd that ignored the people we kill abroad. While I'm being attacked people are still trusting a government they know lied to them over Iraq, a government that also runs down fire stations, underfunds the NHS and STILL supports funding terrorism abroad.False flags are not always without casualty, I never said they were, in fact there were around 3000 casualties (and still rising) from 9/11. Someone said earlier that I didn't 'understand' about WTC7, but nearly 3000 architects and engineers don't 'understand' it either.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
9/11 was important because it was the excuse used to destroy Afghanistan and Iraq, and then roll into Libya, Yemen, Syria for the ultimate target of Saudisreal: Iran.
Everyone agrees that 9/11 WAS a conspiracy, we are just arguing about who had motive, means and opportunity. Some are taught that it was a conspiracy by Osama, a bearded guy on a hill and some fellow Saudis.
Think about this official conspiracy theory: The terrorists were from Saudi Arabia.
Who did we attack?: Afghanistan and Iraq.
Can you see the problem here? Blame country A, Attack countries B and C.
Then you look at Flight 93 that fell short of WTC7.
The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
Who had access to WTC7? It wasn't the Afghans, the Iraqis or even the Saudis, it was guarded by the secret services and an Israeli security firm, and it's fall was witnessed by the dancing Israelis.
Whatever you think about WTC7, it wasn't done by the people we attacked in revenge, it wasn't even blamed on them, it was brought down by people with motive, means and opportunity: Logically there is no other answer.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/06/s...
So lets not blindly trust the government's conspiracy theories, because on WTC7 that doesn't add up, and it hasn't added up on any of the middle eastern operations, or the Ukraine ones, or the Russian ones.
Currently they are still telling us the Russians hacked the DNC, despite Seth Rich (deceased) having now been shown to have sent 45,000 emails to the (deceased) Wikileaks editor after he became upset about them locking Bernie Sanders out.
A better question is: "What content from the BBC/government can we actually trust?"
Because since Iraq we have known they lie about big things involving the death of millions.
Alex_225 said:
As for the original point, I suspect commuting back into the city (London that is) on Monday, I'll see additional security around train stations etc.
Slightly O/T, but I just wanted to check and it may be that you do have to go in: you do know Monday is a Bank Holiday?Globs said:
Currently they are still telling us the Russians hacked the DNC, despite Seth Rich (deceased) having now been shown to have sent 45,000 emails to the (deceased) Wikileaks editor after he became upset about them locking Bernie Sanders out.
Focusing on this one comment of yours - what's the basis for your claim, given than even Fox News have admitted their story was fake.Europa1 said:
Slightly O/T, but I just wanted to check and it may be that you do have to go in: you do know Monday is a Bank Holiday?
Haha I actually hadn't but thank you for the reminder. 
I'm off this week on holiday and it hadn't occurred to me that Monday was a day off. Pleasant surprise.
In relation to the terror threat, I'm off to see Iron Maiden at the O2 on Saturday so we'll see how that compares to last time I went there.
Globs said:
Then you look at Flight 93 that fell short of WTC7.
The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
That's probably why I couldn't remember the official story, there isn't one! The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
So the controlled demolition is the most likely theory by default.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Globs said:
Then you look at Flight 93 that fell short of WTC7.
The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
That's probably why I couldn't remember the official story, there isn't one! The Trinity of three planes, three buildings, but a failure, only two impacts as 93 fell short.
So why did WTC7 fall down?, the first steel frames building in history to fall from 'fire'. But it didn't buckle from fire as it fell at freefall speed, according to the official NIST record. Even NIST no longer claims to know how it collapsed.
So the controlled demolition is the most likely theory by default.
La Liga said:
t seems to me they still claim to know how it collapsed on their website... https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigat...
They use the word 'probable' quite a bit, so it looks like they can't explain it for sure, that is their best guess.Added:
They are saying that one column out of 80 columns lost integrity and caused the building to do this, probably.
Sorry, but I just can't see it!
That is supposed to be animated!!
Edited by Shuvi McTupya on Thursday 25th May 23:29
Shuvi McTupya said:
La Liga said:
It seems to me they still claim to know how it collapsed on their website... https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigat...
They use the word 'probable' quite a bit, so it looks like they can't explain it for sure, that is their best guess.This 'ambiguity' is seized upon by conspiracy theorists. They'll fill in the gaps and offer conclusive, simplistic answers and an alternative narrative that people can easily attach themselves to.
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