Teenage Audi mechanic committed suicide after bullying
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vonuber said:
WinstonWolf said:
People who have never dirtied their nails won't get it...
Oh f
k off. That's got nothing to do with it; it's just plain bullying by a bunch of s who want to exert power over others.There is no excuse for it in any workforce.
"Back in my day"
"Toughen up a bit"
"Banter"
Tossers the lot of you.
I'd guess it was also filmed / photo'd for social media as well. Such as the 'On the Tools' facebook page which is rife with this stuff.
Edited by ReaperCushions on Thursday 25th May 20:28
bazza white said:
I did a weeks work experience at a rover main dealer, obviously I was their puppet for the week. The last prank was someone sprayed brake cleaner into the back of my overalls but some other nob decided to pretend to light it with a flick of a lighter, it only took a spark and it did go up. I couldn't see the flames but just remember them ripping my overalls off and whacking the flames(me) . They were all pale as hell and quiet after the incident so I knew it was pretty serious. The last couple of days they were nice as pies but it was enough to put me off the motor trade. They were nice enough to me but this was a joke to far and they knew this.
One or 2 things you could consider a joke but constantly day in day out is bullying.
Im amazed that anyone in the motor trade in this day and age would deliberately set fire to brake cleaner, its the most imflammable stuff Ive ever come across and quite a few workshops have gone up in flames after a grinder or welding spark hitting brake cleaner. About 20 years ago my apprentice flicked up a disposable lighter and it more or less exploded in his hand, he turned and threw it in the steel bin beside the workbench, in his panic he knocked over the brake cleaner spray which also fell in the bin, two fire extinguishers wouldnt stop it burning luckily we had a high roofed workshop we just shoved it over to the middle of the floor and let it burn out. One or 2 things you could consider a joke but constantly day in day out is bullying.
Edited by imagineifyeswill on Thursday 25th May 20:51
imagineifyeswill said:
bazza white said:
I did a weeks work experience at a rover main dealer, obviously I was their puppet for the week. The last prank was someone sprayed brake cleaner into the back of my overalls but some other nob decided to pretend to light it with a flick of a lighter, it only took a spark and it did go up. I couldn't see the flames but just remember them ripping my overalls off and whacking the flames(me) . They were all pale as hell and quiet after the incident so I knew it was pretty serious. The last couple of days they were nice as pies but it was enough to put me off the motor trade. They were nice enough to me but this was a joke to far and they knew this.
One or 2 things you could consider a joke but constantly day in day out is bullying.
Im amazed that anyone in the motor trade in this day and age would deliberately set fire to brake cleaner, its the most imflammable stuff Ive ever come across and quite a few workshops have gone up in flames after a grinder or welding spark hitting brake cleaner. About 20 years ago my apprentice flicked up a disposable lighter and it more or less exploded in his hand, he turned and threw it in the steel bin beside the workbench, in his panic he knocked over the brake cleaner spray which also fell in the bin, two fire extinguisher wouldnt stop it burning luckily we had a high roofed workshop we just shoved over to the middle of the floor and let it burn out. One or 2 things you could consider a joke but constantly day in day out is bullying.
Downward said:
Bloody hell, where did the Audi management learn their trade, The 1970's ?
I wouldn't expect this anywhere in 2017 never mind such a high profile company such as Audi.
IME It varies from place to place. (note this is not specific to a brand)I wouldn't expect this anywhere in 2017 never mind such a high profile company such as Audi.
Some are great places to work with a decent management structure and nothing is allowed to get out of hand.
Some are classic "tail wagging the dog" where (some) of the workers dictate to the management, and being weak/ineffective they don't stop stuff like this.
And I've seen many a manager who cannot eloquently put their point across without getting irate and swearing or threatening.
Ive heard of fire (particularly older screenwash) but never witnessed anything deliberate, but have seen apprentices locked in things. normally parts cages, sometimes a boot.
As said before, its the gobs
tes who get it hardest. Genuinely softer characters ime are left alone.Rich_W said:
Downward said:
Bloody hell, where did the Audi management learn their trade, The 1970's ?
I wouldn't expect this anywhere in 2017 never mind such a high profile company such as Audi.
IME It varies from place to place. (note this is not specific to a brand)I wouldn't expect this anywhere in 2017 never mind such a high profile company such as Audi.
Some are great places to work with a decent management structure and nothing is allowed to get out of hand.
Some are classic "tail wagging the dog" where (some) of the workers dictate to the management, and being weak/ineffective they don't stop stuff like this.
And I've seen many a manager who cannot eloquently put their point across without getting irate and swearing or threatening.
Ive heard of fire (particularly older screenwash) but never witnessed anything deliberate, but have seen apprentices locked in things. normally parts cages, sometimes a boot.
As said before, its the gobs
tes who get it hardest. Genuinely softer characters ime are left alone.But on the whole, the entire industry is s
t. Oakey said:
I'm just curious. If it was a bunch of kids behaving like this in school towards your child would that be seen as 'toughening them up'.
Nobody's answered this, I think the responses would be interesting.As other posters have said, the same Neanderthal behaviour goes on in other industries including white collar industries. I started my career on a trading floor in a US investment bank in the 90's. In those days it was a very hostile atmosphere - the way people imagine a Wall Street trading floor to be like. Horrible amounts of bullying and pranking by people who were not very bright but who were physically and mentally imposing and needed to compensate for their lack of skills. As the new grad, who was definitely not an alpha male type, and was working in a support function rather than a revenue function, I had the brunt of it.
Like some of the other stories on here, many of the activities had a faintly homoerotic undertone.
Fortunately trading floors have changed a lot. One of the few good things to come out of the financial crash. Things like touching someone up or causing someone injury can get you sacked on the spot and possibly reported to the authorities.
Sounds like many parts of the motor industry haven't really changed.
I feel really sad for the mechanic.
Always clean the eyepiece of the Dunlop tracking gauges before you use them.
If someone leaves a condenser on the bench be careful how you pick it up.
If someone says " hold this HT lead" don't.
My father did an apprentice in the 50s and pranks and practical jokes have always been part of the workshop environment and probably always will be.
In many respects it's what made it a great working environment and I sometimes miss it.
Sadly what happened in this case it was altogether different and allowed to go way too far and not stopped.
If someone leaves a condenser on the bench be careful how you pick it up.
If someone says " hold this HT lead" don't.
My father did an apprentice in the 50s and pranks and practical jokes have always been part of the workshop environment and probably always will be.
In many respects it's what made it a great working environment and I sometimes miss it.
Sadly what happened in this case it was altogether different and allowed to go way too far and not stopped.
Edited by Jazzy Jag on Thursday 25th May 21:48
"On the tools"
Can that be added to the 'cringe thread'?
I'm very sorry that some on here weren't able to see the bullying they received for what it was have had to justify it to themselves as good natured banter. If I were hung from a crane, set on fire, locked in a cage or goaded to kill myself by my colleagues, I'd like to think I'd realise they didn't like me and take appropriate action, rather than just ignoring it and trying to pretend it's normal.
Can that be added to the 'cringe thread'?
I'm very sorry that some on here weren't able to see the bullying they received for what it was have had to justify it to themselves as good natured banter. If I were hung from a crane, set on fire, locked in a cage or goaded to kill myself by my colleagues, I'd like to think I'd realise they didn't like me and take appropriate action, rather than just ignoring it and trying to pretend it's normal.
Ive been in the motor trade for best part of 10 years served my time and yes there is practical jokes bit of light hearted fun but locking someone up and setting him on fire is not that. Its disgusting behaviour and anyone that says its nothing just fun is either talking crap or just trying to get attention.
No one should feel frightened to go to work in this day an age and yes this guy did have other issues which resulted in his final actions but the workers that caused the main share of this deserve to a long prison sentence or have someone set them on fire see if they like it.
No one should feel frightened to go to work in this day an age and yes this guy did have other issues which resulted in his final actions but the workers that caused the main share of this deserve to a long prison sentence or have someone set them on fire see if they like it.
FN2TypeR said:
s this is a
An excuse to treat people badly.
i worked for train depot with a lot lot people on the tools.An excuse to treat people badly.
i have never so many thick pigged headed people in my life. it was like the 1970's, old skool racist, people with basically limited cognitive power.
i blame the poor management the bullies got way with bullying people.i witnessed some worked for 26 years bullied out the business, and management there to support twiddling there thumbs.
people that did this the lad are scum, the dealership is scum, this is someones life gone, maybe he was a bit more sensitive, but mangers aren't there to count that paychecks they are they to support and develop, but if you have crap managers they let this stuff happen. this isnt the 1950s this is now.
From 1996 I have served my time in a workshop environment, worked in the forces and now offshore. But the level of bullying this poor lad received I am fortunate to have never witnessed myself.
There is a degree of bullying that I have come across. Sly digs at a constant level. But have tended to find that it is usually commensurate with their lack of skill in the workplace. Their attitude towards you changes somewhat when you rescue them from the ste their own incompetence has created.
There is a degree of bullying that I have come across. Sly digs at a constant level. But have tended to find that it is usually commensurate with their lack of skill in the workplace. Their attitude towards you changes somewhat when you rescue them from the s
te their own incompetence has created.Edited by Uggers on Thursday 25th May 22:43
daemon said:
So what sounds like pretty much relentless attacks for six months, his colleagues and management being aware he had mental health issues and relationship issues but they persisted to the point that the guy felt his only way out was to kill himself?
That should be shrugged off in the spirit it was intended should it?
Nah mate! He just needed toughening up, it comes with time when you're on the tools. You can't be a Jessie when you're on the tools, being on the tools means you have to be able to take a bit of banter on the tools. When I was on the tools and we got a new lad on the tools we had some right on the tools based banter which involved me pushing him under a moving bus. The soft bugger died! Still, what do you expect - he'd not been on the tools 5 minutes.That should be shrugged off in the spirit it was intended should it?
WinstonWolf said:
I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.
The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.
Certainly didn't do you any harm.The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.
Are you still defending your right to call black strangers n****r?
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