Teenage Audi mechanic committed suicide after bullying
Discussion
Pickled said:
WinstonWolf said:
I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.
The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.
I did a print apprenticeship mid-late 80s, all sorts of stupid sThe point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.
t was done to the new lads, including 'setting alight' with various chemicals lying around or being shrunk-wrapped like a human cocoon and left in the car park, of course it was idiotic in hindsight but it was also part of the culture, as was spending pretty much every non-working hour down the pub on the piss with the same bunch of people; strangely some of those very same people are still my oldest and best mates.As some have said part of being an apprentice is as much about learning how to interact in an adult world, as much as it is about learning the trade.
Times change I get that, but just the same as touching up the clerical staff stopped being normal about 40 years ago I'm pretty sure setting someone on fire in 2016 isn't entirely normal either.
Hard to work out if half these stories are genuine or if it's just the PH billy big bks and it "never did them any harm".
Hard to work out if half these stories are genuine or if it's just the PH billy big b
ks and it "never did them any harm".Lucas CAV said:
Why does this bellendery not happen in more "professional" industries if it's some essential part of "manhood"?
Professional industries, such as? We've all heard the stories of the behaviour experienced on trading floors, or the anecdotes from people who have served in the forces i.e. 'professional' soldiers and strangely the officers mess will involve some of the more outrageous 'pranks' In my case it was certainly a cultural thing, and was limited to our dept. platemaking and finishing were sensible lads, I guess you either accept it and crack on or you don't - I went to a boarding school and the treatment of new boys was far worse than anything I experienced during my apprenticeship, I'm not saying its right or excusable in anyway.
I've done a few manly jobs, though I truly despise overtly male environments.
Any attempts at light hearted pranking were put to a rapid halt. If any of this had been attempted I would've slowly worked my around the workshop bending wrenches over every single skull.
No one should be treated that way.
Any attempts at light hearted pranking were put to a rapid halt. If any of this had been attempted I would've slowly worked my around the workshop bending wrenches over every single skull.
No one should be treated that way.
Someone I work with was bullied as an apprentice, it still affects him, he's 73. I was getting physically and verbally bullied at work up until March 2014 for 13 years. One day I snapped and kicked the st out of the bully who ran away, I chased after him and beat him again, he ran away again and again I chased after him and gave him another kicking. I got a written warning, he left and to this day I have never seen him since. He was and probably still is a .
t out of the bully who ran away, I chased after him and beat him again, he ran away again and again I chased after him and gave him another kicking. I got a written warning, he left and to this day I have never seen him since. He was and probably still is a . WinstonWolf said:
vonuber said:
WinstonWolf said:
The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm.
That doesn't make it right though, does it.That should be shrugged off in the spirit it was intended should it?
Willy Nilly said:
Someone I work with was bullied as an apprentice, it still affects him, he's 73. I was getting physically and verbally bullied at work up until March 2014 for 13 years. One day I snapped and kicked the st out of the bully who ran away, I chased after him and beat him again, he ran away again and again I chased after him and gave him another kicking. I got a written warning, he left and to this day I have never seen him since. He was and probably still is a .
Never came to that for me, the worst I had was a bully at a global retailer I worked for at head office who I subsequently found out was a serial sex pest to loads of women at work & general all round tosser. He relied on being a relatively senior manager to get away with his tt out of the bully who ran away, I chased after him and beat him again, he ran away again and again I chased after him and gave him another kicking. I got a written warning, he left and to this day I have never seen him since. He was and probably still is a . ttery & to my shame I put up with it for a couple of years until the day he came in ranting & raving & I snapped & said - right then on your feet you prick.I watched the colour drain out of him as he blustered that it wouldn't be wise to get into a fight at work - he was right. I'd either have had to ping him one or back down. either way I'd have lost but like all bullies, he was fundamentally a coward & bailed at the first sign of resistance.
I'm far from a hard man either. So all this b
ks that it's all character forming & a bit of banter, utter rubbish. Might be from your point of view, but there's a dead Audi trainee tech who says you're wrong. That he was fragile or a misfit or not right in the head was not his fault.
ETA: That guy eventually got the bullet when it was discovered that he's been using his new role as facilities manager to divert a fair bit of cash & trades to his house for a few choice enhancements, new extension, bit of landscaping etc. What goes around comes around.
Edited by Eddie Strohacker on Thursday 25th May 18:46
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Times change I get that, but just the same as touching up the clerical staff stopped being normal about 40 years ago I'm pretty sure setting someone on fire in 2016 isn't entirely normal either.
Hard to work out if half these stories are genuine or if it's just the PH billy big bks and it "never did them any harm".
They are not genuine, desperation to appear 'hard as nails' to random people on the internet. Who the fHard to work out if half these stories are genuine or if it's just the PH billy big b
ks and it "never did them any harm".k thinks that locking people in cages is in any way normal. I was a machining apprentice from 2007-2010, so fairly recently and in a workshop environment. There was always a bit of humour in the day, but certainly never anything I would class as bullying or inappropriate behaviour. The worst I ever had done to me was to have my shoes glued to the floor and some engineer's blue applied to my safety specs so I had panda eyes all evening. Conversely the pranks I played back were to stick a tail on the back of someone's shirt (a long strand of masking tape with the word "tail" written on it) and performing the wax handle trick on one of the plain mugs in the kitchen.
Nothing offensive, nothing antagonising and certainly nothing serious that would have a negative impact on anybody.
The sad story of what happened in Audi Reading is completely out of order and very disappointing to see that the management were not only letting it happen, but actively participating in the bullying.
Nothing offensive, nothing antagonising and certainly nothing serious that would have a negative impact on anybody.
The sad story of what happened in Audi Reading is completely out of order and very disappointing to see that the management were not only letting it happen, but actively participating in the bullying.
Abuse every day is not banter or character building etc.
Its plain old abuse, and when new to a job and more than one senior member is doing it that is going to affect you and hang on your mind and make you ill over time.
so the few comments from people saying we all had that etc, fk off utter bks. A young man is no longer with us because of it.
A very sad story and my heart goes out to the family.
Its plain old abuse, and when new to a job and more than one senior member is doing it that is going to affect you and hang on your mind and make you ill over time.
so the few comments from people saying we all had that etc, f
k off utter bks. A young man is no longer with us because of it.A very sad story and my heart goes out to the family.
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