Foreign policy and terrorism in UK - any connection?

Foreign policy and terrorism in UK - any connection?

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Original Poster:

924 posts

105 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Lots of coverage of Corbyn and links between UK foereign policy and terrorism in Britain: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/jeremy-...

On the Today programme, security minister Ben Wallace forcefully said he didn't accept Corbyn's view that there was any link between UK involvement in wars/foreign policy and radicalisation.

Baroness Manningham-Buller (former head of MI5) was also quoted as having said that Britain's involvement in the war in Iraq radicalised a generation.

Security Minister Ben Wallace seemed to be arguing that because Britain was a democratic country, terrorists had no 'right' or 'justification' to attack it.

Although he didn't expand on Britain's 'right' or 'justification' to invade or impose itself in the affairs of other countries without invitation.

I was very surprised by Wallace's view and have always thought the connection between British involvement in other countries and terrorism here was generally accepted - clearly I've been labouring under a misapprehension - what do you think?

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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We helped topple the Gaddafi regime, the same regime the bombers father had fought against before we granted him asylum in the UK. You'd think that would have garnered some goodwill but apparently not eh?

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Roughly 90% of Islamist terror attacks worldwide so far in 2017 have been against countries *without* foreign-interventionist policies (e.g. Afghanistan).

Labour are pro-terror, anti-Britain apologists, exploiting dead children for crass political gain.

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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What about Sweden or Germany's foreign policy? Are they any better off for their non-involvement?

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

107 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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When attrocities like Manchester happen the media and the politico's stand around scratching their heads and saying "why would they do this? I don't understand."

But they're just not listening. The terrorists tell us time and time again why they do it. Salman Abedi's sister told us why he did. We will, as a country, go away and bury our heads in the sand in order not to have to deal with it head on.

They want revenge.

Until this is addressed it will never end.

Right, 3...2...1 everybody, heads back in the ground now.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Did we not intervene in Kosovo to protect a muslim minority from persecution?

bitchstewie

50,781 posts

209 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Something I said on another thread.

After Monday how many comments have we seen along the lines of "Just fking nuke the middle east" or "We should bomb the st out of Libya"?

Some people take the view "They killed our kids on Monday night so let's kill them" and whilst it's only a tiny minority who think that way if they had the chance they'd press the button and do it

See any parallels?

It doesn't excuse it in any way shape or form but it seems very simplistic to say our actions overseas have absolutely nothing to do with it.

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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gadgetmac said:
They want revenge.

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Nope. ISIS state that they are at war with unbelievers.

Edited by s2art on Friday 26th May 17:25

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

107 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
They want revenge.

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Nope. ISIS state that they are war with unbelievers.
rolleyes Another one who's not listening to what the bombers own family are saying.

Isis are at war with unbelievers rofl

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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In March 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). When they enquired "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.[25]


Islam is jihad, islam has been at war with everybody for 1400 years, they tried to concur Europe and almost did. They spread east through violence.

But yeah it's it's GWBs fault.


We dropped bombs in Serbia protecting Muslims. Mulsms still atacked and yet there has been no serbian terrorist attacks

So what's the difference between orthodox christians in the uk and Muslims ?

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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gadgetmac said:
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
They want revenge.

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Nope. ISIS state that they are war with unbelievers.
rolleyes Another one who's not listening to what the bombers own family are saying.

Isis are at war with unbelievers rofl
Relatives blaming anyone bar their child shocker...

Roughly 80% of ISIS terror attacks worldwide this year have been against other Islamic countries (e.g. Pakistan).

The notion that ISIS only wants war with the West is wrong. And worrying narrow-mindedness, suggesting many liberals do not understand the full and big picture.

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Yipper said:
gadgetmac said:
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
They want revenge.

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Nope. ISIS state that they are war with unbelievers.
rolleyes Another one who's not listening to what the bombers own family are saying.

Isis are at war with unbelievers rofl
Relatives blaming anyone bar their child shocker...

Roughly 80% of ISIS terror attacks worldwide this year have been against other Islamic countries (e.g. Pakistan).

The notion that ISIS only wants war with the West is wrong. And worrying narrow-mindedness, suggesting many liberals do not understand the full and big picture.
ISIS doesnt consider those countries as being Islamic (by their definition of Islam)

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

107 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.

“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.

But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Those Coptic christians and their fking foreign policy how dare they.


http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/egypt/1.79...

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Oakey said:
We helped topple the Gaddafi regime, the same regime the bombers father had fought against before we granted him asylum in the UK. You'd think that would have garnered some goodwill but apparently not eh?
Sure we helped topple an evil dictator however the vacuum created afterwards helped ISIS, Al-Q and other Jihadi groups to settle there. The same holds true for Iraq and now Syria.

We can't stop British Islamists hating us for what we may or may not have done overseas but perhaps it's time we stopped turning large parts of the Middle East into a playground and training opportunity for such people.

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

107 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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Yipper said:
Relatives blaming anyone bar their child shocker...

Roughly 80% of ISIS terror attacks worldwide this year have been against other Islamic countries (e.g. Pakistan).

The notion that ISIS only wants war with the West is wrong. And worrying narrow-mindedness, suggesting many liberals do not understand the full and big picture.
What are you on about?

The sister and isn't blaming anyone else, she's just telling you why he did it.

If you can't wrap your head around what they themselves are telling you but would rather insert your own reason for why Abedi did it then it will never end.

s2art

18,937 posts

252 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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gadgetmac said:
Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.

“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.

But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
From ISIS in their online magazine Dabiq;

'We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices.'

It goes on a bit, google it.

Oakey

27,523 posts

215 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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gadgetmac said:
What are you on about?

The sister and isn't blaming anyone else, she's just telling you why he did it.

If you can't wrap your head around what they themselves are telling you but would rather insert your own reason for why Abedi did it then it will never end.
They don't know any more than you or I unless they knew what he was planning. The father claims his son is innocent, do you believe him?

andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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LimaDelta said:
What about Sweden or Germany's foreign policy? Are they any better off for their non-involvement?
so why the reason for the attacks?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 26th May 2017
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With reference to the question posed in the title of the OP.

If foreign policy doesn't have any connection to terrorism in the UK - what's the point?