Foreign policy and terrorism in UK - any connection?
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s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.
“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
From ISIS in their online magazine Dabiq;“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
'We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices.'
It goes on a bit, google it.
His sister explains it. Other bombers have also said why they are targeting Europe.
gadgetmac said:
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.
“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
From ISIS in their online magazine Dabiq;“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
'We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices.'
It goes on a bit, google it.
His sister explains it. Other bombers have also said why they are targeting Europe.
pim said:
TonyToniTone said:
grumbledoak said:
Of course these are related. The beach massacre in Tunisia a couple of years ago, trained in Libya. And now Manchester, the father was trained in Libya. We allowed him to go there. There was no training of terrorists in Libya under Gaddafi. Or under Saddam Hussein in Iraq. We destroyed these countries, we helped the people who created the training camps. Of course these things are related.
It's not contentious. It's not new. There is even a term for it: "blowback". Google it.
The IRA trained in Libya but I agree..It's not contentious. It's not new. There is even a term for it: "blowback". Google it.
gadgetmac said:
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.
“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
From ISIS in their online magazine Dabiq;“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
'We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices.'
It goes on a bit, google it.
His sister explains it. Other bombers have also said why they are targeting Europe.
It would take extreme naivety to suggest that our (interventionist) foreign policies had not contributed to the hatred that some, inevitably, vest upon us. There must be many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocents who have suffered at the hands of our (and our allies’) policies, over the past 50 years.
I am not, in any way, defending terrorism, but I recognise that having sufficient motivation to strike back without the wherewithal of our, and our allies’ technology, then ‘terrorism’ as we are now seeing on an increasing scale, is one of the few weapons available to their arsenal.
Of course there will be many participant agendas, and ideological justifications, and equally there will be many puppet-masters caressing the strings.
I think Corbyn has a point, and that Manningham-Buller recognises that reality.
tumble dryer said:
It would take extreme naivety to suggest that our (interventionist) foreign policies had not contributed to the hatred that some, inevitably, vest upon us. There must be many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of innocents who have suffered at the hands of our (and our allies’) policies, over the past 50 years.
I am not, in any way, defending terrorism, but I recognise that having sufficient motivation to strike back without the wherewithal of our, and our allies’ technology, then ‘terrorism’ as we are now seeing on an increasing scale, is one of the few weapons available to their arsenal.
Of course there will be many participant agendas, and ideological justifications, and equally there will be many puppet-masters caressing the strings.
I think Corbyn has a point, and that Manningham-Buller recognises that reality.
As evidenced by the terrorists' testimonies and "epitaphs". I am not, in any way, defending terrorism, but I recognise that having sufficient motivation to strike back without the wherewithal of our, and our allies’ technology, then ‘terrorism’ as we are now seeing on an increasing scale, is one of the few weapons available to their arsenal.
Of course there will be many participant agendas, and ideological justifications, and equally there will be many puppet-masters caressing the strings.
I think Corbyn has a point, and that Manningham-Buller recognises that reality.
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
s2art said:
gadgetmac said:
Ms Abedi said she thought he was driven by America's military attacks in the Middle East.
“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
From ISIS in their online magazine Dabiq;“I think he saw children - Muslim children - dying everywhere, and wanted revenge," she told the Wall Street Journal.
But yes, you all go on convincing yourselves its ISIS world war against the 5 billion non muslims (kuffars) on the planet armed with no 'war machine' only home made explosives that made him target children on Monday night at a pop festival.
'We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices.'
It goes on a bit, google it.
His sister explains it. Other bombers have also said why they are targeting Europe.
If you think the UK is innocent in all of this, you're seriously mistaken. The USA is one of the most disliked nations and the UK would be well up the list in its own right, without being in bed with the USA.
ISIS didn't exist when a lot of these things happened, though the extreme Islam goal of a caliphate had been on the agenda for a long time.
The West's deeds and actions undoubtedly added fuel to the extremist fire. I'm not a terrorist apologist or aligned with the thinking at all, but the history that has brought about what we see today shows clear links.
mickmcpaddy said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Why is Sweden a target ?
For no other reason than its easy to get in to.Why isn't Poland a target?
They've had a huge influx of migrants over the last few years, a good chunk of which have been known extremists who have visited Iraq, Syria etc
Alpinestars said:
tumble dryer said:
Alpinestars said:
As evidenced by the terrorists' testimonies and "epitaphs".
Forgive me, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
ks, I was up for a fight! 
tumble dryer said:
Alpinestars said:
tumble dryer said:
Alpinestars said:
As evidenced by the terrorists' testimonies and "epitaphs".
Forgive me, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?ks, I was up for a fight! 
tumble dryer said:
Alpinestars said:
tumble dryer said:
Alpinestars said:
As evidenced by the terrorists' testimonies and "epitaphs".
Forgive me, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?ks, I was up for a fight! He went to depose Gaddafi on his school holidays. Our government knew Libyans were flying out to go on their own version of the Territorial Army but because at the time our foreign policy and that of the Islamists were aligned, we did nothing to stop UK citizens (including children) leave the country to kill people and go back to school on Monday.
He got his training in Libya after our government had helped overthrow Gaddafi. Our actions in Libya had resulted in the country becoming a place where ISIS openly operated.
On this case, if we had not supported regime change the way we did in Libya, the likelihood is that this terrorist would not have been created. He simply would not have had the opportunity.
Yes, imo there are instances where our foreign policy is connected to terrorist actions here. I'm not sure why that is difficult to accept.
He got his training in Libya after our government had helped overthrow Gaddafi. Our actions in Libya had resulted in the country becoming a place where ISIS openly operated.
On this case, if we had not supported regime change the way we did in Libya, the likelihood is that this terrorist would not have been created. He simply would not have had the opportunity.
Yes, imo there are instances where our foreign policy is connected to terrorist actions here. I'm not sure why that is difficult to accept.
RedTrident said:
On this case, if we had not supported regime change the way we did in Libya, the likelihood is that this terrorist would not have been created. He simply would not have had the opportunity.
Hold on. He went to train in Libya after /Gaddafi had gone.Why would that be? The UK had supported his and his fathers cause in ridding Libya of Gaddafi, why wasnt he grateful? And Libya was about to be plunged into civil war before we intervened.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff