human rights pi$$ boiler

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Atomic12C

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5,180 posts

216 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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A police officer friend of mine recently told me about a motorhome theft that happened last week.

To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.

The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.

After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.

Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.

Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.

Leroy902

1,539 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Parts of the world really have gone doolally.

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Anyone able to shed some light on the laws involved here? At least to my knowledge police are able to confiscate stolen property regardless of whether or not it's current keeper bought it in good faith or not.

Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?

Tycho

11,554 posts

272 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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caelite said:
Anyone able to shed some light on the laws involved here? At least to my knowledge police are able to confiscate stolen property regardless of whether or not it's current keeper bought it in good faith or not.

Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?
There is more to it when the occupant is from a certain background. Anyone not from aforementioned background would be dealt with quickly.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?

Tycho

11,554 posts

272 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?
They are certainly reluctant to pursue certain people as vigorously as they would the general population.

esxste

3,665 posts

105 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Human Rights is blamed like Health and Safety is for things that actually it doesn't prevent.

Like when people say "you can't do that because of Health and Safety", what they actually mean is, "we can't be asked to do a risk assessment" or "we did a risk assessment, and can't afford/won't do the things required to respond to an identified risk". But thats to complicated for some and it becomes "cos 'elf 'n safety innit"



I'd suggest the issue here is that he police know it would be a major operation to recover the stolen assets, that it would damage relations, whatever state they're currently in, with that community and its blamed on Human Rights for those who like simple answers.




xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Leroy902 said:
Parts of the world really have gone doolally.
I agree, it is rather scary!!

Cold

15,207 posts

89 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Corbyn wants to give a certain section of society even more rights if elected. Don't forget to vote.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Tycho said:
Eric Mc said:
Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?
They are certainly reluctant to pursue certain people as vigorously as they would the general population.
Are they really?

Conversely, you are by default stating that thy are more willing to prosecute others.

Are not we all equal before the law. That is the definition of what "human rights" actually means.

I would think that entering a "premises" is something the police cannot do without a warrant - even if they think that there are stolen good there. That surely is upholding the law.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

204 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit

mac96

3,715 posts

142 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Tycho said:
Eric Mc said:
Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?
They are certainly reluctant to pursue certain people as vigorously as they would the general population.
Are they really?

Conversely, you are by default stating that thy are more willing to prosecute others.

Are not we all equal before the law. That is the definition of what "human rights" actually means.

I would think that entering a "premises" is something the police cannot do without a warrant - even if they think that there are stolen good there. That surely is upholding the law.
Is a field 'premises' though? Even if the occupants are entitled to camp in it, which is not clear from OP? Seems more like police finding a stolen car in a car park. and they wouldn't refuse to act on that especially if it had been used for criminal acts whilst stolen.

wiggy001

6,542 posts

270 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
What about if you read it in a national newspaper?

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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mac96 said:
Is a field 'premises' though? .
Yes - in certain circumstances - like when it's the land on which you live.

joshcowin

6,775 posts

175 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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stolen from a storage facility, why is insurance not involved here!?

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Evicting people from their home is the issue here, which is what they will be playing on, and they will know how far they can push it.

Imagine the outrage from those in Islington if the police evicted some poor persecuted traveller children from their home, these poor children have done nothing wrong. The local council will have to provide them with accommodation before they could be evicted.

Where it doesn't work for us is that it is very difficult to steal and move a second floor flat....

That said who would want it back ? Whilst it will be spotless when they are living in it, they don't have the best track record of leaving things as clean and tidy.




del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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joshcowin said:
stolen from a storage facility, why is insurance not involved here!?
I did think that, but it doesn't detract from the failings of the system.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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In the 1980s we had the hippy convoys in Wiltshire eg going to Stonehenge for the soltices.

No MOT, no VED, red diesel, no insurance, probably no licence for the class of vehicle (coaches, etc), logbooks not sent to DVLA.

Police just moved them on as the councils didn't want to deal with hundreds of homeless if the vehicles were confiscated. Pragmatic decision but it made a mockery of the concept that we're all equal before the law.

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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wiggy001 said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
What about if you read it in a national newspaper?
It's the Daily Mail though... I think I would have more faith in the pub story. biggrin

Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th May 2017
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Atomic12C said:
A police officer friend of mine recently told me about a motorhome theft that happened last week.

To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.

The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.

After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.

Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.

Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.
wiggy001 said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
What about if you read it in a national newspaper?
There do appear to be some material differences between the stories.