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A police officer friend of mine recently told me about a motorhome theft that happened last week.
To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.
The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.
After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.
Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.
Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.
To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.
The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.
After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.
Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.
Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.
Anyone able to shed some light on the laws involved here? At least to my knowledge police are able to confiscate stolen property regardless of whether or not it's current keeper bought it in good faith or not.
Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?
Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?
caelite said:
Anyone able to shed some light on the laws involved here? At least to my knowledge police are able to confiscate stolen property regardless of whether or not it's current keeper bought it in good faith or not.
Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?
There is more to it when the occupant is from a certain background. Anyone not from aforementioned background would be dealt with quickly.Is there more to it when someone is using said stolen property as an abode?
Human Rights is blamed like Health and Safety is for things that actually it doesn't prevent.
Like when people say "you can't do that because of Health and Safety", what they actually mean is, "we can't be asked to do a risk assessment" or "we did a risk assessment, and can't afford/won't do the things required to respond to an identified risk". But thats to complicated for some and it becomes "cos 'elf 'n safety innit"
I'd suggest the issue here is that he police know it would be a major operation to recover the stolen assets, that it would damage relations, whatever state they're currently in, with that community and its blamed on Human Rights for those who like simple answers.
Like when people say "you can't do that because of Health and Safety", what they actually mean is, "we can't be asked to do a risk assessment" or "we did a risk assessment, and can't afford/won't do the things required to respond to an identified risk". But thats to complicated for some and it becomes "cos 'elf 'n safety innit"
I'd suggest the issue here is that he police know it would be a major operation to recover the stolen assets, that it would damage relations, whatever state they're currently in, with that community and its blamed on Human Rights for those who like simple answers.
Tycho said:
Eric Mc said:
Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?
They are certainly reluctant to pursue certain people as vigorously as they would the general population.Conversely, you are by default stating that thy are more willing to prosecute others.
Are not we all equal before the law. That is the definition of what "human rights" actually means.
I would think that entering a "premises" is something the police cannot do without a warrant - even if they think that there are stolen good there. That surely is upholding the law.
Eric Mc said:
Tycho said:
Eric Mc said:
Are you stating that the police will not enforce the law?
They are certainly reluctant to pursue certain people as vigorously as they would the general population.Conversely, you are by default stating that thy are more willing to prosecute others.
Are not we all equal before the law. That is the definition of what "human rights" actually means.
I would think that entering a "premises" is something the police cannot do without a warrant - even if they think that there are stolen good there. That surely is upholding the law.
TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
What about if you read it in a national newspaper?Evicting people from their home is the issue here, which is what they will be playing on, and they will know how far they can push it.
Imagine the outrage from those in Islington if the police evicted some poor persecuted traveller children from their home, these poor children have done nothing wrong. The local council will have to provide them with accommodation before they could be evicted.
Where it doesn't work for us is that it is very difficult to steal and move a second floor flat....
That said who would want it back ? Whilst it will be spotless when they are living in it, they don't have the best track record of leaving things as clean and tidy.
Imagine the outrage from those in Islington if the police evicted some poor persecuted traveller children from their home, these poor children have done nothing wrong. The local council will have to provide them with accommodation before they could be evicted.
Where it doesn't work for us is that it is very difficult to steal and move a second floor flat....
That said who would want it back ? Whilst it will be spotless when they are living in it, they don't have the best track record of leaving things as clean and tidy.
In the 1980s we had the hippy convoys in Wiltshire eg going to Stonehenge for the soltices.
No MOT, no VED, red diesel, no insurance, probably no licence for the class of vehicle (coaches, etc), logbooks not sent to DVLA.
Police just moved them on as the councils didn't want to deal with hundreds of homeless if the vehicles were confiscated. Pragmatic decision but it made a mockery of the concept that we're all equal before the law.
No MOT, no VED, red diesel, no insurance, probably no licence for the class of vehicle (coaches, etc), logbooks not sent to DVLA.
Police just moved them on as the councils didn't want to deal with hundreds of homeless if the vehicles were confiscated. Pragmatic decision but it made a mockery of the concept that we're all equal before the law.
wiggy001 said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
What about if you read it in a national newspaper?Atomic12C said:
A police officer friend of mine recently told me about a motorhome theft that happened last week.
To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.
The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.
After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.
Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.
Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.
To cut a story short, traveler steals brand new motorhome, police give chase, traveler tries to kill police and other motorists by using motorhome as weapon, drives through hedge row and field and in to rear entrance of traveler camp.
The police who could not follow through the hedge row or field use the road and enter the front side of the traveler camp to be met with a road blockage of vehicles and travelers throwing stones and being aggressive.
After back-up arrived and the blockage was cleared the brand new motorhome is parked up with a clamp on it and with brand new occupants, which included a bloke, his 'significant other' and about 5 kids.
Asked to vacate the motorhome, officers were met with a load of silent smug looking smiles.
Police were prevented in removing the family from the motorhome due to their human rights.
Police also unable to charge the bloke as he apparently wasn't the driver.
wiggy001 said:
TwistingMyMelon said:
Heard it dawn tha pub - must bee tru innit
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