Huge Fire In Block Of Flats
Discussion
I can tell you, after 27 years of being in housing, its a miracle if a tnt has insurance.
The slightest event that occurs, they come after you with ludicrous claim's as they never ever have insurance. Never a single receipt held for the purchase of goods, any financial trace.
1 tale, overheard recently. Claims its our fault a power socket was off. this meant the chest freezer has defrosted. In the hour it was off.
Of course it was rammed to the top with food, as a "big shop" had been done for a birthday party.
we must replace the lot. Receipts ? No, paid for in cash.
However, this awful tragedy is of course nothing like the nonsense our lot come up with.
The slightest event that occurs, they come after you with ludicrous claim's as they never ever have insurance. Never a single receipt held for the purchase of goods, any financial trace.
1 tale, overheard recently. Claims its our fault a power socket was off. this meant the chest freezer has defrosted. In the hour it was off.
Of course it was rammed to the top with food, as a "big shop" had been done for a birthday party.
we must replace the lot. Receipts ? No, paid for in cash.
However, this awful tragedy is of course nothing like the nonsense our lot come up with.
Deptford Draylons said:
David Lammy didn't decide to back down on some of his claims on the Daily Politics today, instead deciding to go full retard.
https://order-order.com/2017/07/20/lammys-baseless-police-cover-up-claim-compares-grenfell-to-hillsborough/#disqus_thread Just incase people want to watch him make a d*ck of himself as usual.
Apparently he has all the evidence he needs by speaking to some of the survivors.
As we get further and further into the minutiae of the fire and responsibility, and more and more into the inevitable greed that has followed, surely, if this was a case of a fire in one flat the tenant would lose out if he/she had not insured the contents. All I can see is that this circumstance multiplies by 124 or whatever the number is. The owners/sub-lessees are responsible for insuring the fabric of the building and the tenant the 47 gold Rolexes he has lost - all of which were bought for cash without receipts of course. I have been burgled twice over the years, kept every receipt and despite the insurers wriggling they paid out for the contents of my wine cellar at current values, not cost price ten years before - because I had proof, both in receipts (which would have been lost in the fire in the case of Grenfell) and with the supplier of the rather good wines, plus the supporting evidence of my bank statements. A little research shows that in principle landlords are not liable for the contents of unfurnished lettings. Someone will prove me wrong though, I suppose.
lowdrag said:
A little research shows that in principle landlords are not liable for the contents of unfurnished lettings. Someone will prove me wrong though, I suppose.
Under normal circumstances a landlord is not responsible for the tenants consequential loss (eg loss of contents and/ or temp accommodation costs)If the fire was found be be as a result of negligence then that person/company or their insurers would be responsible.
It's early days but if the cladding was either unfit or installed incorrectly then whoever is responsible for that could well be on the hook for most of it.
As a high percentage of PI/PL policies won't have sufficiently high limits it could be a bunfight.
desolate said:
lowdrag said:
A little research shows that in principle landlords are not liable for the contents of unfurnished lettings. Someone will prove me wrong though, I suppose.
Under normal circumstances a landlord is not responsible for the tenants consequential loss (eg loss of contents and/ or temp accommodation costs)If the fire was found be be as a result of negligence then that person/company or their insurers would be responsible.
It's early days but if the cladding was either unfit or installed incorrectly then whoever is responsible for that could well be on the hook for most of it.
As a high percentage of PI/PL policies won't have sufficiently high limits it could be a bunfight.
Haven't looked at this thread for a while, put people in the ten floors that haven't been incinerated, wonderful idea.
There was a lady from one of the local nurseries on today talking about how the children have been impacted by this.
Apparently there are four year olds who, if their friends (who are still alive) don't come in one day ask "are they dead?".
Granted I'm sure that can happen to any child who goes through a traumatic event that they don't understand, but something to think about perhaps when making daft suggestions like the one above, doubt the kids are in it for a free PS4 either.
There was a lady from one of the local nurseries on today talking about how the children have been impacted by this.
Apparently there are four year olds who, if their friends (who are still alive) don't come in one day ask "are they dead?".
Granted I'm sure that can happen to any child who goes through a traumatic event that they don't understand, but something to think about perhaps when making daft suggestions like the one above, doubt the kids are in it for a free PS4 either.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Haven't looked at this thread for a while, put people in the ten floors that haven't been incinerated, wonderful idea.
There was a lady from one of the local nurseries on today talking about how the children have been impacted by this.
Apparently there are four year olds who, if their friends (who are still alive) don't come in one day ask "are they dead?".
Granted I'm sure that can happen to any child who goes through a traumatic event that they don't understand, but something to think about perhaps when making daft suggestions like the one above, doubt the kids are in it for a free PS4 either.
Dont know if you can think back that far but at that age friends come and go and some do die and disappear. Kids seem to be able to accept ias normal and move on. ( although whether this event is normal with the block still standing there looking charred or whether it's like the floods in cornwall which thankfully happened without loss of life but left devastation)There was a lady from one of the local nurseries on today talking about how the children have been impacted by this.
Apparently there are four year olds who, if their friends (who are still alive) don't come in one day ask "are they dead?".
Granted I'm sure that can happen to any child who goes through a traumatic event that they don't understand, but something to think about perhaps when making daft suggestions like the one above, doubt the kids are in it for a free PS4 either.
It can be adults over worrying and adding extra concern on the children's behalf - they'll be worrying why the adults are so concerned.
You've only got to look at that council meeting to see the angst raised, but what to do about it? How long will it continue?
I was told yesterday by a colleague within housing about the immediate fire.
Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
No I have not heard that about the fire, from what I've seen of the fire service they always double check with a heat seeking camera for any hot spots.
And the way everything is trial by Facebook these days if that did happen and came out I'd fully expect the mass thicko mobs to start slating fireman and call them 'murderers' too.
And the way everything is trial by Facebook these days if that did happen and came out I'd fully expect the mass thicko mobs to start slating fireman and call them 'murderers' too.
saaby93 said:
Dont know if you can think back that far but at that age friends come and go and some do die and disappear. Kids seem to be able to accept ias normal and move on. ( although whether this event is normal with the block still standing there looking charred or whether it's like the floods in cornwall which thankfully happened without loss of life but left devastation)
It can be adults over worrying and adding extra concern on the children's behalf - they'll be worrying why the adults are so concerned.
You've only got to look at that council meeting to see the angst raised, but what to do about it? How long will it continue?
You are right. Children get over things very quickly but parents fuss and worry so much it simply prolongs things, makes it worse.It can be adults over worrying and adding extra concern on the children's behalf - they'll be worrying why the adults are so concerned.
You've only got to look at that council meeting to see the angst raised, but what to do about it? How long will it continue?
Look at a divorce, all about the children but in all honestly, they are fine, mental scars are only made worse by parents constantly asking if they are OK.
austinsmirk said:
I was told yesterday by a colleague within housing about the immediate fire.
Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
Thats already been said about 50-100 pages back but no idea how the fire got out.Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
It seems the fire may have got back in to other flats through open windows too - it was a hot sunny day
Unless there was another fire
austinsmirk said:
I was told yesterday by a colleague within housing about the immediate fire.
Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
Seem to recall reding that in one of the papers. We can assume nothing, but from memory, the fire brigade was of the opinion the fire was out, and was leaving and saw the outside fire.Don't know if this has been said before, but anyway.
The firemen attended the fridge fire and put it out. The left, assuming the fire was out.
They didn't realise it had caught outside (onto the cladding)- thus this had chance to catch properly and then of course really gain pace.
You'd have to assume kitchen window had blown out and an inspection outside saw no fire ?
apols if been discussed before.
Sylvaforever said:
London fire service have reportedly put large sum aside in case of damages over stay in flat advice
Think they need to concentrate on failing to extinguish fire completely first...
Funny how Liarbour and Corbin have gone awfully silent....
It will become such a political hot potato that I fear fro the sanity of JC and McD if the immediately above is true.Think they need to concentrate on failing to extinguish fire completely first...
Funny how Liarbour and Corbin have gone awfully silent....
Imagine if the LFB actually dropped the ball? (Which I don't think they would have done due to protocols etc.)
If there were substantial blame attributable to the LFB, will JC etc come to the obvious conclusion.....
Tory Cuts!
As regards fireman failing to spot the secondary fire (IF they did) - In my line of work as a contractor in large factories before we start any work we often have to obtain a "hot works permit" if we're likely to do any welding, grinding etc. part of which is an agreement that the designated "fire watcher" ie. usually me, remains on site for two hours after any hot work has finished. Just wondered what real firemens procedure is?
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