Huge Fire In Block Of Flats
Discussion
Chancer in court today for claiming he was a resident who had lost everything, including his wife, kid and passport, in the fire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
kev1974 said:
Chancer in court today for claiming he was a resident who had lost everything, including his wife, kid and passport, in the fire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
will illegal sub letting it's not that easy but I take your point. Still relevant with who you paid rent too. I hope they check his immigration status.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
The Surveyor said:
JagLover said:
60 blocks fail more rigorous fire safety tests.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40749036
Many of which seem to be in Labour council areas (for those making political capital out of the issue)
What the article fails to say if whether the cladding failed the Building Regulations standards which were current when the cladding was installed, not any tests against current expectations. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40749036
Many of which seem to be in Labour council areas (for those making political capital out of the issue)
Until that is answered, any reference to prosecutions or political point scoring is premature.
Anyone found it?
Has anybody kept a rough tally of how much money has now been raised/earmarked and/or pledged for these guys to date?
With the authorities bending over backwards (albeit not initially which appears pretty shocking) and giving out much better accommodation as an attempt to appease and make up for failings.... I am very apprehensive of some awful Scrote elsewhere getting a really sick idea.....
With the authorities bending over backwards (albeit not initially which appears pretty shocking) and giving out much better accommodation as an attempt to appease and make up for failings.... I am very apprehensive of some awful Scrote elsewhere getting a really sick idea.....
Welshbeef said:
Don't insurance companies have a fund to cover uninsured people?
A bit like car insurance if your hit by someone not insured then they all pay into a pot to pay out in such events.
Why are the insurance companies paying out not the govt.
Do you mean why is the taxpayer paying out?A bit like car insurance if your hit by someone not insured then they all pay into a pot to pay out in such events.
Why are the insurance companies paying out not the govt.
Dont we do that when there is a disaster in some part of the country?
Welshbeef said:
Don't insurance companies have a fund to cover uninsured people?
A bit like car insurance if your hit by someone not insured then they all pay into a pot to pay out in such events.
Why are the insurance companies paying out not the govt.
No - aspects of car insurance are mandatory, if you are injured by an uninsured driver or one that doesn't stop, this fund fills the gap.A bit like car insurance if your hit by someone not insured then they all pay into a pot to pay out in such events.
Why are the insurance companies paying out not the govt.
To have contents insurance is your choice, and it is not particularly expensive. Otherwise nobody would buy it as some fund would pay out instead.
Buildings insurer will pay out in line with their policy.
Burwood said:
kev1974 said:
Chancer in court today for claiming he was a resident who had lost everything, including his wife, kid and passport, in the fire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
will illegal sub letting it's not that easy but I take your point. Still relevant with who you paid rent too. I hope they check his immigration status.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739618/Vi...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/28/ma...
Shows how lacking the records of who lived in the building were, that he was able to get away with it for two weeks until actual police spoke to him rather than just council workers. You would think it would be a case of asking for his name and/or landlord name, and one of those two names should be on either the list of tenants or the list of leaseholders, it ought to be a 2 minute conversation, no? Cross check with lists of voters and council tax payers, another one minute to do that surely. Ought to be a very quick matter to ascertain if someone presenting themselves to you was a bona fide resident or not?
Obviously if you're a tenant in an illegally sub-let council property, the chances are that neither you nor the actual legal tenant are going to be informing the council housing department about the arrangement, but if you're claiming other benefits, then it's far more likely that you'll give that address.
Equally, many people on lower incomes will have library membership to get free internet access, and nobody bothers to put forward a false address for that. If you have school-aged kids, then you'll generally use your correct address to get them into school (although yes, some people will try to scam a better school), and above all, anywhere that has residents' parking permits will have a goldmine of correct addresses!
If you link all the above records together electronically, then you should be able to identify at the drop of a hat where someone really lives, but although it's very doable, the vast majority of councils haven't done it, either because of cost, concerns over data protection, resistance from individual departments to share data or even in some cases because they'd rather ignore the potential pain of opening Pandora's Box and having to deal with what they find inside it!
The fire is the most terrifying incident to happen and my heart goes out to the survivors, if it was caused by either cutting corners for profit or negligence people should be brought to justice, but are we making a profession of being a victim?
One night during WW2
The night of 10-11 May 1941 marked the last major raid of the Blitz. It inflicted the highest number of casualties of any single night raid of the London Blitz: 1,436 Londoners killed and over 2,000 others seriously injured.
Those that survived considered themselves lucky, now survivors think about compensation.
One night during WW2
The night of 10-11 May 1941 marked the last major raid of the Blitz. It inflicted the highest number of casualties of any single night raid of the London Blitz: 1,436 Londoners killed and over 2,000 others seriously injured.
Those that survived considered themselves lucky, now survivors think about compensation.
tight fart said:
The fire is the most terrifying incident to happen and my heart goes out to the survivors, if it was caused by either cutting corners for profit or negligence people should be brought to justice, but are we making a profession of being a victim?
One night during WW2
The night of 10-11 May 1941 marked the last major raid of the Blitz. It inflicted the highest number of casualties of any single night raid of the London Blitz: 1,436 Londoners killed and over 2,000 others seriously injured.
Those that survived considered themselves lucky, now survivors think about compensation.
Very true, its what saddens me most about the UK, the slightest incident now and people want to blame every one and claim everything. One night during WW2
The night of 10-11 May 1941 marked the last major raid of the Blitz. It inflicted the highest number of casualties of any single night raid of the London Blitz: 1,436 Londoners killed and over 2,000 others seriously injured.
Those that survived considered themselves lucky, now survivors think about compensation.
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