School Uniform protest
Discussion
gooner1 said:
ReaderScars said:
someone said:
The world seems suddenly full of people wanting to interfere and complain on behalf of other people.
Or perhaps there are just many more people now who are perfectly able to look at a situation and say, actually that's a bunch of 
ks and there's no genuine reason to enforce an inequal dress code, so to speak, during the hottest period on record for decades.Edited by ReaderScars on Thursday 22 June 22:19
Or people who go along in life not questioning or challenging anything at all.
ReaderScars said:
"Ah diddums"
"can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
Do you really think every 'adult' on here works in a lovely air conditioned office? "can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
One Amp Andy said:
Do you really think every 'adult' on here works in a lovely air conditioned office?
I don't. Its been around 35-39 C where I work. at night. Air Con is provided for Electronic Equipment cooling. I don't see Air-Con until I go inside to sign up my jobs.I still don't see the need to keep pupils in blazers and ties. They won't be learning.
FF
One Amp Andy said:
ReaderScars said:
"Ah diddums"
"can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
Do you really think every 'adult' on here works in a lovely air conditioned office? "can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
HD Adam said:
amusingduck said:
HD Adam said:
A Poofy Schoolboy said:
"We're not allowed to wear shorts, and I'm not sitting in trousers all day, it's a bit hot."
Ah, diddums.1976 was my last year of school. I managed to survive till the end of term in long trousers.
Presumably some of these boys will end up in jobs with a dress code too. How will they manage?
This is why people end up on zero hours contracts
Bit harsh maybe?
FFS. It's not even that hot.
People are soft these days.
I think it's more about the sexist inequality of it really. If the girls had to wear blazers, ties and trousers as well there wouldn't be any argument.
When I was at school the lads uniform was pretty strict - white shirt, school tie, black blazer, trousers and shoes. I remember having to beg practically beg for permission to take off our blazers in the class room. One lad (pretty studious, certainly not a trouble causer) got in serious trouble for dissent, removing his blazer when the teacher denied him!
On the other hand, the girls uniform was much more flexible and casual - white or check blouse or polo shirt, optional cardigan or jumper (in a choice of about 3 colours), skirt (with tights or socks) or trousers or culottes. Result was every boy dressed exactly the same, and the girls all different to each other as they were also given a fair amount of creative license with their uniform. And in the summer, that meant the boys are forced to wear a completely impractical outfit, while the girls could wear something more temperature appropriate.
Used to be the same in the workplace too - office attire was generally suit and tie for blokes, but ladies could wear anything that wasn't deemed too casual. I've not worked in an office job for 15 years, but I gather that in most places the suit jacket and tie is not expected day to day any more?
I'm kind of hoping that this is a (very modest) start of the male fight back towards gender equality, I'd almost consider it the male equivalent of burning bras! I thought the youth of today was very apathetic towards this sort of thing, got to give them credit for standing up for themselves.
When I was at school the lads uniform was pretty strict - white shirt, school tie, black blazer, trousers and shoes. I remember having to beg practically beg for permission to take off our blazers in the class room. One lad (pretty studious, certainly not a trouble causer) got in serious trouble for dissent, removing his blazer when the teacher denied him!
On the other hand, the girls uniform was much more flexible and casual - white or check blouse or polo shirt, optional cardigan or jumper (in a choice of about 3 colours), skirt (with tights or socks) or trousers or culottes. Result was every boy dressed exactly the same, and the girls all different to each other as they were also given a fair amount of creative license with their uniform. And in the summer, that meant the boys are forced to wear a completely impractical outfit, while the girls could wear something more temperature appropriate.
Used to be the same in the workplace too - office attire was generally suit and tie for blokes, but ladies could wear anything that wasn't deemed too casual. I've not worked in an office job for 15 years, but I gather that in most places the suit jacket and tie is not expected day to day any more?
I'm kind of hoping that this is a (very modest) start of the male fight back towards gender equality, I'd almost consider it the male equivalent of burning bras! I thought the youth of today was very apathetic towards this sort of thing, got to give them credit for standing up for themselves.
gooner1 said:
I wonder if the short wearing will be compulsory for the summer term.
mjb1 said:
I think it's more about the sexist inequality of it really. If the girls had to wear blazers, ties and trousers as well there wouldn't be any argument.
The girls do wear blazers, trousers and ties with skirts being an optional alternative to trousers. Other than that the uniforms are the same.Fat Fairy said:
One Amp Andy said:
Do you really think every 'adult' on here works in a lovely air conditioned office?
I don't. Its been around 35-39 C where I work. at night. Air Con is provided for Electronic Equipment cooling. I don't see Air-Con until I go inside to sign up my jobs.I still don't see the need to keep pupils in blazers and ties. They won't be learning.
FF
. ClaphamGT3 said:
One Amp Andy said:
ReaderScars said:
"Ah diddums"
"can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
Do you really think every 'adult' on here works in a lovely air conditioned office? "can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
king beam grid is my friend, so you've well and truly dominated me already I've been working in asphalt plants all week in Norwich/ Penzance, 30 + degrees ambient, but working next to 700+ degree mixer/ stone dryer drums, 160+ degree bitumen tanks, with fire proof overalls and head gear. That gets quite warm.
But as for my thoughts relating to the story, they are students. They should be allowed to be comfortable so they can perform to the best of their abilities. I think they are taking it a bit too far, but I can see their point.
HD Adam said:
ReaderScars said:
"Ah diddums"
"can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
Pretty much, yes."can't cope"
So hardened adults have air con in offices and are grateful for it, and would have it fixed/replaced pronto if it packed up in unusually hot weather, but people of school age are weak or effeminate for wanting to work in a reasonable temperature - it that what you're saying?
Not every office has air con.
Get over yourself, it's not even that hot. I doubt anyone ever got heatstroke from wearing trousers.
I certainly havent.
In hot weather, I make sure to wear thermals, a wool suit, and a sheepskin coat. Gotta make sure everyone knows what a hard case I am.
Everyone knows there's nothing more manly than being unnecessarily uncomfortable.
Mostly predictable PH replies as usual, mostly 'back in my day' stuff with the odd 'poofs' thrown in to keep it 1940's, plus thankfully the odd sensible one.
It's about being comfortable in the learning environment. I don't see why this is an issue.
I wore shorts to work for the last couple of weeks, simply because it was much more comfortable than trousers. Yes, I could have worn trousers and not died or passed out, but I would have been very uncomfortable in the heat.
I worked in various offices for years, and I've had air conditioned ones and sweltering-in-summer ones, and honestly, there isn't much that's more distracting and uncomfortable at work than being too hot and having large sweat patches appearing all over your shirt, a sweaty face, sweaty in your trousers and generally being pissed off with it, all whilst the female office staff wander about in sandals and short lightweight summer dresses.
But because I'm male I have to sit there in trousers, socks, shoes, long sleeve shirt, tie and possibly a suit jacket as well.
Good on these boys for taking the initiative, using their brains and turning the rules against authority in a clever fashion to highlight the unfairness of the uniform. They got the desired result they wanted without anyone getting in trouble or causing trouble.
Or should we all just blindly follow rules because they are rules or "because I say so"?
As has been pointed out already, other countries have better educational results than us without requiring a uniform.
It's about being comfortable in the learning environment. I don't see why this is an issue.
I wore shorts to work for the last couple of weeks, simply because it was much more comfortable than trousers. Yes, I could have worn trousers and not died or passed out, but I would have been very uncomfortable in the heat.
I worked in various offices for years, and I've had air conditioned ones and sweltering-in-summer ones, and honestly, there isn't much that's more distracting and uncomfortable at work than being too hot and having large sweat patches appearing all over your shirt, a sweaty face, sweaty in your trousers and generally being pissed off with it, all whilst the female office staff wander about in sandals and short lightweight summer dresses.
But because I'm male I have to sit there in trousers, socks, shoes, long sleeve shirt, tie and possibly a suit jacket as well.
Good on these boys for taking the initiative, using their brains and turning the rules against authority in a clever fashion to highlight the unfairness of the uniform. They got the desired result they wanted without anyone getting in trouble or causing trouble.
Or should we all just blindly follow rules because they are rules or "because I say so"?
As has been pointed out already, other countries have better educational results than us without requiring a uniform.
health and safety at work 1992
Lower limit of 16 degrees in Offices
13 degrees if doing manual labour indoors
There is no upper limit. Which suggest enforcing trousers is not exactly a death sentence.
The boys wearing dresses is not "some ode against sexism" It's a classic lefty/Unions tactic. You don't like something, protest about it, and get it changed (preferably in a knee jerk way)
You give into this sort of thing once, the pupils will get an idea on something else in the future....
Lower limit of 16 degrees in Offices
13 degrees if doing manual labour indoors
There is no upper limit. Which suggest enforcing trousers is not exactly a death sentence.
The boys wearing dresses is not "some ode against sexism" It's a classic lefty/Unions tactic. You don't like something, protest about it, and get it changed (preferably in a knee jerk way)
You give into this sort of thing once, the pupils will get an idea on something else in the future....
Many schools in my part of the Land have optional alternative hot weather uniform policies. These schools and schoolchildren seem to thrive. I'm not seeing why these children challenging an anachronistic policy is anything other than laudable.
PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
scenario8 said:
Many schools in my part of the Land have optional alternative hot weather uniform policies. These schools and schoolchildren seem to thrive. I'm not seeing why these children challenging an anachronistic policy is anything other than laudable.
PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
Laudable?PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
No. because they need to learn that the world is NOT fair. That when they are out in the real world they cant just decide they don't like something and have the rules changed to suit them.
It breeds the oft mentioned "entitlement" attitude! And it's why a shed load of young adults these days are unemployable on attitude alone!
Rich_W said:
scenario8 said:
Many schools in my part of the Land have optional alternative hot weather uniform policies. These schools and schoolchildren seem to thrive. I'm not seeing why these children challenging an anachronistic policy is anything other than laudable.
PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
Laudable?PH does continue to throw up some oddball opinions.
No. because they need to learn that the world is NOT fair. That when they are out in the real world they cant just decide they don't like something and have the rules changed to suit them.
It breeds the oft mentioned "entitlement" attitude! And it's why a shed load of young adults these days are unemployable on attitude alone!
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