Fruit grower voted Leave - sorry now!

[Disastrous]

anonymous said:

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It's nothing to do with entitlement! It's to do with things not being the same as they used to be.

"In my day, we'd just go on a Crusade to the Middle East if we wanted to get ahead in life but those awful Millenials just want booze and fags without being prepared to plunder the natives to get them!!!"

I'm not a millennial and don't smoke btw.

[roachcoach]

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Any too many of the young think there's a magic money tree.

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity


Generalisations are bad, mmmkay?

[alfie2244]

jjlynn27 said:

alfie2244 said:

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I should add I would not expect anyone to do anything I haven't done myself.I have never claimed benefits but in order to raise a young family I have worked as a refuse collector, taxi driver, cleared blocked drains/sewers, night security guard and laboured on building sites...in effect did anything and everything to keep the wolf from my door.

Ok now do your worst

It's irrelevant if you've done job yourself of not. You did those things because you have an 'ingredient' that some people simply don't; pride.
One of the charities that I was involved with was helping people getting back to work. While some of them were genuinely looking for a chance to prove themselves, a huge majority was just not interested. You could overhear them devising ever more elaborate plans on how to get more money of anyone. Family, friends, state, it doesn't really matter to them.
Thinking that any of those people will ever, even for £20/ph go and pick fruit is naive.

Fair comment but that "attitude" needs to be changed one way or another. Help / support those that are prepared to help themselves but the deliberately "feckless" might require less carrot and a bigger stick. Either way it has to change and someone needs to be bold enough to change it. This is a conversation that seriously needs to be had without people getting all shouty, insulting and aggressive............as should be the case with other issues such as the NHS, immigration etc.

Edited by alfie2244 on Friday 23 June 19:18

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Jimboka said:

A fantastic opportunity for those who voted to send those damn foreigners home. Coming over here & taking our jobs etc etc.
I bet he will be snowed under with applications from the disadvantaged locals

Indeed, that was a key argument; they were taking jobs and supressing wages. Local brexiteers with a beef over fruit pickers will fill the gap! Won't they?

[citizensm1th]

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

[amusingduck]

jjlynn27 said:

It's irrelevant if you've done job yourself of not. You did those things because you have an 'ingredient' that some people simply don't; pride.
One of the charities that I was involved with was helping people getting back to work. While some of them were genuinely looking for a chance to prove themselves, a huge majority was just not interested. You could overhear them devising ever more elaborate plans on how to get more money of anyone. Family, friends, state, it doesn't really matter to them.
Thinking that any of those people will ever, even for £20/ph go and pick fruit is naive.

Those people should be stripped of all financial benefits from the state.

Shame it will never happen.

[B'stard Child]

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

[B'stard Child]

Jimboka said:

A fantastic opportunity for those who voted to send those damn foreigners home. Coming over here & taking our jobs etc etc.
I bet he will be snowed under with applications from the disadvantaged locals

Ahhhhh he's back

[roachcoach]

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

Yep, can't win them all. Mind you, could have been a lot worse!

[citizensm1th]

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

better than me i am stuck in 78/79

[B'stard Child]

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

better than me i am stuck in 78/79

I'll get the Delorean and rescue you - it's not much further back

[citizensm1th]

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

better than me i am stuck in 78/79

I'll get the Delorean and rescue you - it's not much further back

Alright then, Future Boy, whose president of the United States in 2017?

[B'stard Child]

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

B'stard Child said:

citizensm1th said:

roachcoach said:

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity

being conceived in a haze of new romantic dross is nothing to be proud of

A lot better music came out of the 80's than just the new romantics - Mrs BC constantly reminds me I am stuck in the 80's (apparently)

better than me i am stuck in 78/79

I'll get the Delorean and rescue you - it's not much further back

Alright then, Future Boy, whose president of the United States in 2017?

I can't tell you that - well I could but you'd never believe it - you really wouldn't

[anonymous-user]

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This post is very good. I endorse it and it's content.

[roachcoach]

roachcoach said:

Any too many of the young think there's a magic money tree.

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity


Generalisations are bad, mmmkay?

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No, but your post was an inflammatory one with sweeping generalisation nonetheless.

If you're employing such generalisations and playing the man as opposed to the ball, it is most likely that you are the problem.

[Murph7355]

ATG said:

Gove continues to claim that Brexit can make food cheaper. Wonder if he'd take a bet so I can hedge the price of soft fruit, milk, lamb, etc?

Of course it "can". Not all soft fruit, milk and lamb is produced within the EU boundaries and the EU's punitive tariffs don't exactly help the poorer nations of the world nor help the cost of food in the EU. We can buy elsewhere.

Whether leaving does actually make food cheaper or not we'll see. I suspect it might not. But then I didn't vote leave because I was worried about the price of strawberries (have them in the garden), milk (rarely drink it unless near a bog ) or lamb (buy it from the farm next door)

ATG said:

Round here a few farmers have said they voted Leave because they didn't like the EU telling them when not to cut their hedges. I st you not.
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CAP was the biggest issue with those by me. And the harm it does to competitiveness, innovation and and self reliance. The inequitability of it across member states didn't help either.

[ATG]

roachcoach said:

roachcoach said:

Any too many of the young think there's a magic money tree.

And I was born in the 80's before you start getting even more uppity


Generalisations are bad, mmmkay?

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No, but your post was an inflammatory one with sweeping generalisation nonetheless.

If you're employing such generalisations and playing the man as opposed to the ball, it is most likely that you are the problem.

He blew off some steam, but it was hardly a content-free ad hom or sweeping generalisations. He made 4 specific economic points (though, due to brain damage caused by 80s pop exposure, he labelled then 1, 2, 3, 3) and that is rather more than we usually get from Brexiteer posts.

[citizensm1th]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opkzgLMH5MA

[Mr GrimNasty]

NinjaPower said:

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This post is very good. I endorse it and it's content.

Except is has no connection to reality.

PYO is still popular - onerous H&S? What planet are you on.

Home growing fruit & veg is more popular now than at any time since 'dig for victory' and jam/preserve making is perennially popular. Even Corbyn listed it as a hobby!

Proper garden centers shift tons of seeds & plug veg plants, although it may have passed you by, the internet now gives direct access to an absolute plethora of seed suppliers and nursery growers, they are booming like never before, it's a 'growth' area.

Immigration costs money, sure open borders nut jobs and left think tanks produce fake statistics to show otherwise, but it is blindingly obvious immigration costs us money, clogs up the roads, the health service, goes up in line with national debt.

The lie that we need immigration to pay for the old is the delusional logic of a pyramid scheme.

[roachcoach]

ATG said:

He blew off some steam, but it was hardly a content-free ad hom or sweeping generalisations. He made 4 specific economic points (though, due to brain damage caused by 80s pop exposure, he labelled then 1, 2, 3, 3) and that is rather more than we usually get from Brexiteer posts.

This was not a sweeping generalisation?

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Ok then.

It's utterly typical of debate these days - oft seems to end up a case of "you don't agree with me? You're clearly stupid, none of your opinons are valid because reasons".

I'll be on my way.