Fruit grower voted Leave - sorry now!

[hairyben]

Raygun said:

footnote said:

I haven't heard the evidence with my own fine ears but apparently this chap was on R4 Today, saying he'd voted Leave but his business would go bust if he couldn't get slave labor...

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Sorted it for you. Me thinks it's time he thought about a more profitable business venture rather than whinging.

Isnt it.

Great to see the left using the example of a business model whos survival depends on the race-to-the-bottom wages and working conditions that the eu's unlimited cheap labour has facilitated as something we should mourn. Yeah proper socialist worker ideals there huh.

So I'll have to pay a few more pence on the pound for strawbs so they can be picked by people earning real money, such an affront to my liberal sensibilities.

[RobDickinson]

NZ has a good working holiday visa for students/young , but you still need to be paid minimum wage..
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/...

Funny today as the NZ Labour party who just announced a crackdown on Student immigration/visas jhas been caught running a student election sweatshop!

[alfie2244]

citizensm1th said:

and that is what they will do ,the farmers will move to crops they can mechanise ,and the rest of us will end up paying more for food that cannot be picked by machine.

brexit you know it makes sense

I've worked in many houses over the years.....amazing how many have new cars, all the toys, phones, PC's, tablets, TVs, brand name clothes, several holidays a year yet have very bare cupboards.........perhaps more than a few may need to start cutting their coats according to their cloth.

[citizensm1th]

hairyben said:

So I'll have to pay a few more pence on the pound for strawbs so they can be picked by people earning real money, such an affront to my liberal sensibilities.

You will pay more, but they wont be grown here in the uk they will come from vast green houses in spain .

the supermarkets wont be paying more but you will and the eastern europeans working in spain will not be paid any more.

so britian will have lost another little bit of industry and our balance of payments will end up a little bit more unbalanced

[alfie2244]

citizensm1th said:

hairyben said:

So I'll have to pay a few more pence on the pound for strawbs so they can be picked by people earning real money, such an affront to my liberal sensibilities.

You will pay more, but they wont be grown here in the uk they will come from vast green houses in spain .

the supermarkets wont be paying more but you will and the eastern europeans working in spain will not be paid any more.

so britian will have lost another little bit of industry and our balance of payments will end up a little bit more unbalanced

Well Spain need the jobs so perhaps it will be our way of helping out our European's friend's high unemployment once we have Brexited.

[markcoznottz]

alfie2244 said:

Raygun said:

So it does raise the question.
Who picked the fking strawberries before Igor and his mates turned up?

Me, my brother, my mum and most of the other families on our street......ate a few as well but only for the 1st day or so.....farmer picked us up in an old Thames Trader van IIRC.

Purely seasonal back then. We also didn't have a snack based culture where people wanted exotic fruit on tap 24-7.

[B'stard Child]

condor said:

Many years ago - there was a great day out for youngsters with pick your own
Most got eaten before paying though

As a student I picked peas one year - I must admit I found them quite tasty but did I ever get a serious stomach ache as a result

[alfie2244]

markcoznottz said:

alfie2244 said:

Raygun said:

So it does raise the question.
Who picked the fking strawberries before Igor and his mates turned up?

Me, my brother, my mum and most of the other families on our street......ate a few as well but only for the 1st day or so.....farmer picked us up in an old Thames Trader van IIRC.

Purely seasonal back then. We also didn't have a snack based culture where people wanted exotic fruit on tap 24-7.

Very true but it was long season, spuds, peas, blackcurrants, apples, and my favourite as a child, hopping......not forgetting turfing by hand.

[markcoznottz]

hairyben said:

Raygun said:

footnote said:

I haven't heard the evidence with my own fine ears but apparently this chap was on R4 Today, saying he'd voted Leave but his business would go bust if he couldn't get slave labor...

.

Sorted it for you. Me thinks it's time he thought about a more profitable business venture rather than whinging.

Isnt it.

Great to see the left using the example of a business model whos survival depends on the race-to-the-bottom wages and working conditions that the eu's unlimited cheap labour has facilitated as something we should mourn. Yeah proper socialist worker ideals there huh.

So I'll have to pay a few more pence on the pound for strawbs so they can be picked by people earning real money, such an affront to my liberal sensibilities.

All these problems have been brewing for thirty years, it's just brexit is a visible symptom. Cheap available food needs cheap available labour, cheap available fancy food ( let's be honest strawberrys are not a staple) needs cheap available credit to allow the working class to eat food unimaginable in the 70's. If any of those parameters changes then something will have to give.

[voyds9]

rs1952 said:

This story is only a symptom of a far wider issue upon which the chickens may well be coming home to roost shortly.

We have heard recently that there has been a 96% reduction in the number of applications for nurse’s post coming from EU residents. The hospitality industry is also bleating about a lack of waiters, bar staff and hotel staff. Some more detail on the “strawberry pickers” story on my local news tonight says that farmers are already finding difficulties in recruiting labour for crop picking, and we haven’t even left the fecking EU yet.

But never mind, we’ve taken back control…

That would be in the same week that an Italian nurse was struck off for not speaking English

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4600160/It...

Could the drop be partly explained by the new English exams before jobs are offered.

Note there was also an increase in the registrations before the new rules to beat them

[citizensm1th]

markcoznottz said:

All these problems have been brewing for thirty years, it's just brexit is a visible symptom. Cheap available food needs cheap available labour, cheap available fancy food ( let's be honest strawberrys are not a staple) needs cheap available credit to allow the working class to eat food unimaginable in the 70's. If any of those parameters changes then something will have to give.

well some brexiteers want to take britian back to the way it was before the E.U.

boiled beef and carrots anyone?

[B'stard Child]

wc98 said:

Raygun said:

So it does raise the question.
Who picked the fking strawberries before Igor and his mates turned up?

every single traditional holiday period in the uk was initially arranged around the various harvesting seasons . when i was a kid most of the kids i knew regardless of background went to the "berries" in the summer and the "toties" in october, for a few days at least. it would be a good a way of encouraging youngsters today to get off their various devices and learning what fairly hard work is while having a good laugh . if nothing else they make a few quid and know if they don't want a hard manual labour job when they leave school they better get their finger out at school.

exactly.........

As a nipper I picked blackberries with the rest of the family when on holiday - summer pudding and blackberry jelly never tasted as good when you picked the fruit yourself

As a teenager in school holidays playstations didn't exist (ping pong on a ZX Spectrum was as good as it got) so I picked whatever was needed

I cleaned windows and cars at weekends (250,000 public liability insurance at 14 wasn't that expensive either)

I bought my first 50cc moped as a basket case and rebuilt it over 6 months to be ready for when I turned 16

I bought my second motorbike brand new for cash a year later

people tell me things are different now - they aren't the youth of today just aren't hungry (I blame food banks)

[Disastrous]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why do people say things like this as if it's somehow a desireable state of affairs??

Surely we don't actually want our professionals to have to grub about in a field just to make enough to buy a house?

[alfie2244]

Disastrous said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why do people say things like this as if it's somehow a desireable state of affairs??

Surely we don't actually want our professionals to have to grub about in a field just to make enough to buy a house?

Why not? Give them a good and rounded understanding of life and won't do them a bit of harm except maybe the runs if they eat too many strawberries.

[Disastrous]

alfie2244 said:

Disastrous said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why do people say things like this as if it's somehow a desireable state of affairs??

Surely we don't actually want our professionals to have to grub about in a field just to make enough to buy a house?

Why not? Give them a good and rounded understanding of life and won't do them a bit of harm except maybe the runs if they eat too many strawberries.

I would never suggest that someone's right to pick strawberries be taken from them but I do think it's a poor state of affairs when a professional teacher can't afford a house without a second job.

It's not essentially character building or eye opening - it's just doing a st menial job because yours doesn't pay enough. I mean, you do what you have to do, but it's not something we should be striving for as a country!

What next? Lawyers delivering takeaways to fund the gite in France? Your surgeon pulling pints a couple nights a week?

[alfie2244]

Disastrous said:

alfie2244 said:

Disastrous said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why do people say things like this as if it's somehow a desireable state of affairs??

Surely we don't actually want our professionals to have to grub about in a field just to make enough to buy a house?

Why not? Give them a good and rounded understanding of life and won't do them a bit of harm except maybe the runs if they eat too many strawberries.

I would never suggest that someone's right to pick strawberries be taken from them but I do think it's a poor state of affairs when a professional teacher can't afford a house without a second job.

It's not essentially character building or eye opening - it's just doing a st menial job because yours doesn't pay enough. I mean, you do what you have to do, but it's not something we should be striving for as a country!

What next? Lawyers delivering takeaways to fund the gite in France? Your surgeon pulling pints a couple nights a week?

You're just a snob

[Disastrous]

alfie2244 said:

Disastrous said:

alfie2244 said:

Disastrous said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Why do people say things like this as if it's somehow a desireable state of affairs??

Surely we don't actually want our professionals to have to grub about in a field just to make enough to buy a house?

Why not? Give them a good and rounded understanding of life and won't do them a bit of harm except maybe the runs if they eat too many strawberries.

I would never suggest that someone's right to pick strawberries be taken from them but I do think it's a poor state of affairs when a professional teacher can't afford a house without a second job.

It's not essentially character building or eye opening - it's just doing a st menial job because yours doesn't pay enough. I mean, you do what you have to do, but it's not something we should be striving for as a country!

What next? Lawyers delivering takeaways to fund the gite in France? Your surgeon pulling pints a couple nights a week?

You're just a snob

Not going to argue that tbh

[BrassMan]

Ridgemont said:

An odd consequence of Brexit (feature?) is that it will make the cost of labour higher and very possibly drive mechanisation. At which point productivity will finally get of its knees. The reality of ready and cheap supplies of skilled and unskilled labour across a vast array of industries, has been a major factor in low investment and innovation and a punishingly low level of production to capita. Bring it on.

Are you sure about that? I keep hearing that the recent mass migration has had ne effect on wages.

[b2hbm]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

+1

[mike74]

I've mentioned elsewhere I know of 3 recent job vacancies local to me, all were part time, unskilled, minimum wage... each vacancy had well over 100 applicants.

Can someone explain to me just why we need unrestricted immigration of unskilled workers (EU or elsewhere)?