Grenfell - Who pays

[Sheepshanks]

speedyguy said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Criticism for fire service for Grenfell and also the response to Manchester bombing seems to indicate that there is a huge problem with the way the fire service operates. It must need some serious culture changes to move forward.

Spot on, they are utterly risk averse. As an organisation, usually not the people on the ground dealing with the issue (if they are allowed see Manchester bomb)

You can't blame them for that - quite low level officers have been prosecuted for sending firefighters into dangerous situations. The point of a professional fire service is to be able to deal with incidents without putting themselves at too great a risk.

[austinsmirk]

Pinoyuk said:

Its begs the question. Do certain nationalities /cultures have a almost zero clue about “Health and safety “? Because from what I have seen it is a FAR TOO HIGH % That seem never ever to get their heads around this matter. Starts off with a reluctance to even strap kids in cars etc . They just don’t get it ! Ok, White chav families are included at times.

Broadly speaking I find that BME communities have far cleaner and tidier houses and are far more welcoming/respectful than any "white British household".

However they tend to have filth everywhere outside: eg gardens etc.

your white family just lives in filth inside and out. Often made worse by the tendancy to have lots of animals- fundamentally if you've dogs etc in yr house/car- its filthy and you/yr house stink. argue otherwise- but you do.

BME communities tend never to have animals. apart from the young fighty lads in tracksuits with some fighting dog on a chain: both with an attitude problem.

has that helped answer your question ?


Oh- 3 blocks of flats we had set on fire this week, due to fireworks/bin stores being torched. lovely.

[The Mad Monk]

austinsmirk said:

Broadly speaking I find that BME communities have far cleaner and tidier houses and are far more welcoming/respectful than any "white British household".

However they tend to have filth everywhere outside: eg gardens etc.

your white family just lives in filth inside and out. Often made worse by the tendancy to have lots of animals- fundamentally if you've dogs etc in yr house/car- its filthy and you/yr house stink. argue otherwise- but you do.

BME communities tend never to have animals. apart from the young fighty lads in tracksuits with some fighting dog on a chain: both with an attitude problem.

has that helped answer your question ?

Well, yes, apart from the casual racist remarks chucked around in all directions.

[austinsmirk]

good. I think the poster of the question was looking for a different answer to his question.

There was a good debate last week on R2 about refugees and immigrants being far more creative, inventive and problems solving, by % than yr standard "british" person. Figures really, if you've managed to escape/flee all sorts of horrors, you've probably got more about you than Jaxon, who's standing there, cupping his balls in his tracksuit, thinking about what tat he's going to get next, blaming the foreign people for him not having a job.

[Not-The-Messiah]

austinsmirk said:

good. I think the poster of the question was looking for a different answer to his question.

There was a good debate last week on R2 about refugees and immigrants being far more creative, inventive and problems solving, by % than yr standard "british" person. Figures really, if you've managed to escape/flee all sorts of horrors, you've probably got more about you than Jaxon, who's standing there, cupping his balls in his tracksuit, thinking about what tat he's going to get next, blaming the foreign people for him not having a job.

I listened to a bit of that program it was you typically twisted fact propaganda crap. They kept saying better inventors but then just kept give business people as examples. Not inventors just people who started company's and worked hard and perhaps took risks.

It was your usual let's concentrate on a tiny percentage of a massive group because it fits our view and agenda and let's ignore all the things that don't fit it. I can see the BBC doing a full show on how more likely certain immigrant groups are more stabby and so on can you?

[anonymous-user]

austinsmirk said:

good. I think the poster of the question was looking for a different answer to his question.

There was a good debate last week on R2 about refugees and immigrants being far more creative, inventive and problems solving, by % than yr standard "british" person. Figures really, if you've managed to escape/flee all sorts of horrors, you've probably got more about you than Jaxon, who's standing there, cupping his balls in his tracksuit, thinking about what tat he's going to get next, blaming the foreign people for him not having a job.

It’ll be that creativity, invention and problem solving that makes their countries such great places, then?

Oh, wait a minute.........

[anonymous-user]

The great thing about stereotypical racists and Xenophobes such as NTM and realists123 is that they are stereotypical racists and Xenophobes. They do exactly as it says on their tins.

[Smiler.]

Breadvan72 said:

The great thing about stereotypical racists and Xenophobes such as NTM and realists123 is that they are stereotypical racists and Xenophobes. They do exactly as it says on their tins.

Yeah, well we all know what it says on your tin.

I mean, it's not like you're constantly letting us know or anything.

[anonymous-user]

I am by no means superior to many people, but it is not hard for anyone to be superior to any racist. The way to achieve such superiority is not that difficult. The technique is: don't be a racist. Super easy.

[Smiler.]

Not as easy as labelling people or opinions as racist it would seem.

[anonymous-user]

Labeling racist opinions as racist is mega easy. Labeling people who express racist opinions as racists is also a piece of cake. None of this stuff is brain surgery.

[Smiler.]

Riposte within 60 seconds.

That's some radar.

Hope you haven't let some racists elsewhere in the universe off the hook though.

[anonymous-user]

I did not know that I had got the gig as Universal Racism Cop. I assumed that I had failed the medical. What are the hours?

[XCP]

The Mad Monk said:

Well, yes, apart from the casual racist remarks chucked around in all directions.

Sweeping generalisations R Us it seems.

[Smiler.]

Breadvan72 said:

I did not know that I had got the gig as Universal Racism Cop. I assumed that I had failed the medical. What are the hours?

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

[Mojooo]

pequod said:

Whilst everyone is discussing what the FB could have (should have?) done differently regarding evacuation or stay put, the elephant in the room to my mind is how did a fridge/freezer catch fire and why didn't the tenant (or sub-letter) have a fire extinguisher to put it out?

The reports at the time suggested that he left the building asap and alerted the emergency services when outside.

I look forward to reading part 2 of this investigation.

He was fully exonerated in Part 1

There is no obligation to have a FE and I doubt most peopel have a FE at home

The initial fire was put out quite easily - unfortunately it had already gotten outside by that time.

[pequod]

Mojooo said:

pequod said:

Whilst everyone is discussing what the FB could have (should have?) done differently regarding evacuation or stay put, the elephant in the room to my mind is how did a fridge/freezer catch fire and why didn't the tenant (or sub-letter) have a fire extinguisher to put it out?

The reports at the time suggested that he left the building asap and alerted the emergency services when outside.

I look forward to reading part 2 of this investigation.

He was fully exonerated in Part 1

There is no obligation to have a FE and I doubt most peopel have a FE at home

The initial fire was put out quite easily - unfortunately it had already gotten outside by that time.

I have FE's at home, in the kitchen and in my garage/workshop. I also have multiple FE's on my boat as well as smoke alarms in both. I don't see that as unusual and if I was living in a multi storey block of flats I'm damned sure I would have them too. Are you saying that it's not a requirement in council owned blocks of flats even on the common corridors?

Assuming all fridge/freezers don't self ignite, and I've never known one to do so, what was different in this case and what caused the fire to spread so quickly to the outside of the flat?

[Mojooo]

pequod said:

Mojooo said:

pequod said:

Whilst everyone is discussing what the FB could have (should have?) done differently regarding evacuation or stay put, the elephant in the room to my mind is how did a fridge/freezer catch fire and why didn't the tenant (or sub-letter) have a fire extinguisher to put it out?

The reports at the time suggested that he left the building asap and alerted the emergency services when outside.

I look forward to reading part 2 of this investigation.

He was fully exonerated in Part 1

There is no obligation to have a FE and I doubt most peopel have a FE at home

The initial fire was put out quite easily - unfortunately it had already gotten outside by that time.

I have FE's at home, in the kitchen and in my garage/workshop. I also have multiple FE's on my boat as well as smoke alarms in both. I don't see that as unusual and if I was living in a multi storey block of flats I'm damned sure I would have them too. Are you saying that it's not a requirement in council owned blocks of flats even on the common corridors?

Assuming all fridge/freezers don't self ignite, and I've never known one to do so, what was different in this case and what caused the fire to spread so quickly to the outside of the flat?

I don't know if they had FE in the communal areas

Could be many reasons an appliance catches fire.- https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/news/2013-news/new-...

It appears the refurbishment affected the integrity of the building and allowed the fire to the cladding on the outside which is how the fire spread.

The detail is in the Inqury report.

[98elise]

pequod said:

Mojooo said:

pequod said:

Whilst everyone is discussing what the FB could have (should have?) done differently regarding evacuation or stay put, the elephant in the room to my mind is how did a fridge/freezer catch fire and why didn't the tenant (or sub-letter) have a fire extinguisher to put it out?

The reports at the time suggested that he left the building asap and alerted the emergency services when outside.

I look forward to reading part 2 of this investigation.

He was fully exonerated in Part 1

There is no obligation to have a FE and I doubt most peopel have a FE at home

The initial fire was put out quite easily - unfortunately it had already gotten outside by that time.

I have FE's at home, in the kitchen and in my garage/workshop. I also have multiple FE's on my boat as well as smoke alarms in both. I don't see that as unusual and if I was living in a multi storey block of flats I'm damned sure I would have them too. Are you saying that it's not a requirement in council owned blocks of flats even on the common corridors?

Assuming all fridge/freezers don't self ignite, and I've never known one to do so, what was different in this case and what caused the fire to spread so quickly to the outside of the flat?

I have a fire extinguisher at home but I would consider that very unusual. I don't know anyone else that does have one.

Appliances catch fire. It certainly not suspicious.

[Earthdweller]

98elise said:

pequod said:

Mojooo said:

pequod said:

Whilst everyone is discussing what the FB could have (should have?) done differently regarding evacuation or stay put, the elephant in the room to my mind is how did a fridge/freezer catch fire and why didn't the tenant (or sub-letter) have a fire extinguisher to put it out?

The reports at the time suggested that he left the building asap and alerted the emergency services when outside.

I look forward to reading part 2 of this investigation.

He was fully exonerated in Part 1

There is no obligation to have a FE and I doubt most peopel have a FE at home

The initial fire was put out quite easily - unfortunately it had already gotten outside by that time.

I have FE's at home, in the kitchen and in my garage/workshop. I also have multiple FE's on my boat as well as smoke alarms in both. I don't see that as unusual and if I was living in a multi storey block of flats I'm damned sure I would have them too. Are you saying that it's not a requirement in council owned blocks of flats even on the common corridors?

Assuming all fridge/freezers don't self ignite, and I've never known one to do so, what was different in this case and what caused the fire to spread so quickly to the outside of the flat?

I have a fire extinguisher at home but I would consider that very unusual. I don't know anyone else that does have one.

Appliances catch fire. It certainly not suspicious.

I have a number of fire extinguishers at home .. placed around the house, also in the detached garage .. plus smoke detectors

But, I do live in the country and the nearest fire station is about 20 miles away .. and retained

So heaven forbid .. if anything happens I’m on my own for at least 30 minutes I’d imagine