Tory-DUP Confidence And Supply deal

[JagLover]

vonuber said:

Run a minority government and seeked consensus with other parties on important issues to do the best for the country? Like grownups do?

There is no consensus

Labour would oppose them on anything automatically as would the SNP and the Lib Dems would be too scared of seeming to "prop them up" that they would do likewise.

The options were DUP deal or another election as in today's partisan age minority governments aren't really an option.

[Hugo a Gogo]

sidicks said:

gooner1 said:

Ah, so these are the ex terrorists and muderers you. were refering to.
At last.

The point you seem to be missing is that May is cosying up to party that has terrorist roots in the past. Corbyn was cosying up to active terrorists.

So the situations are quite different.

the past as in 'shot a man in front of his child three days before the party leader met them'?

[Elysium]

bhstewie said:

Agreed.

She's a laughing stock.

To those defending it as "the best deal in the circumstances" a hypothetical.

The election results come in and it becomes clear that Labour and the SNP and Green(s) could form a government with a majority of one.

Nicola Sturgeon names her price and it's $5bn for Scotland and Caroline Lucas asks for £50m additional funding for Brighton Council.

Corbyn says yes.

How is it any different? Yet I suspect the reaction here would be very different because people view it through red and blue lenses rather than right and wrong.

I am not happy to be led by a coalition of losers. Your hypothetical example is of course the same situation, but what May has done is undoubtedly worse as she has caused the situation entirely through her own lack of judgement.

Having repeatedly denied calls for a general election she made a decision to call one because:

1. She felt that doing so immediately prior to Brexit negotiations commencing would help her to win based on her 'strong and stable' mantra. In other words she deliberately weakened the countries position by leaving it leaderless at a critical time, so that she could swoop in and save us.

2. She imagined that Corbyn was at his lowest ebb and that she would destroy labour with a stinking majority.

Grave misjudgements on both counts and this bribe to the DUP is even worse. Osborne was right that she is a 'dead woman walking'. They will rip her to shreds at the first opportunity.

[p1stonhead]

Elysium said:

bhstewie said:

Agreed.

She's a laughing stock.

To those defending it as "the best deal in the circumstances" a hypothetical.

The election results come in and it becomes clear that Labour and the SNP and Green(s) could form a government with a majority of one.

Nicola Sturgeon names her price and it's $5bn for Scotland and Caroline Lucas asks for £50m additional funding for Brighton Council.

Corbyn says yes.

How is it any different? Yet I suspect the reaction here would be very different because people view it through red and blue lenses rather than right and wrong.

I am not happy to be led by a coalition of losers. Your hypothetical example is of course the same situation, but what May has done is undoubtedly worse as she has caused the situation entirely through her own lack of judgement.

Having repeatedly denied calls for a general election she made a decision to call one because:

1. She felt that doing so immediately prior to Brexit negotiations commencing would help her to win based on her 'strong and stable' mantra. In other words she deliberately weakened the countries position by leaving it leaderless at a critical time, so that she could swoop in and save us.

2. She imagined that Corbyn was at his lowest ebb and that she would destroy labour with a stinking majority.

Grave misjudgements on both counts and this bribe to the DUP is even worse. Osborne was right that she is a 'dead woman walking'. They will rip her to shreds at the first opportunity.

once the dust has settled, I cant see her being around long having cost them a majority and £1billion! Its a ludicrous position to try and cling on to.

[bitchstewie]

Quite.

To Brenda and "Oh no another Election!!" I believe I read that it cost around £100m?

Now I'm no economist so wouldn't claim to know the hidden costs caused by political uncertainty or whatever you want to call it.

But does you think May was really trying to save money and provide "Strong and Stable" government or simply doing anything, including buying votes, to remain in power?

Incidentally do we get the money back if it collapses?

[WindyCommon]

JagLover said:

vonuber said:

Run a minority government and seeked consensus with other parties on important issues to do the best for the country? Like grownups do?

There is no consensus

Labour would oppose them on anything automatically as would the SNP and the Lib Dems would be too scared of seeming to "prop them up" that they would do likewise.

The options were DUP deal or another election as in today's partisan age minority governments aren't really an option.

This - sadly - is the point. Whilst the frictional costs of running a minority government (in terms of delays, individual deals to be done issue by issue etc) aren't as starkly visible as the £1bn agreed with the DUP, those costs are very real.

[p1stonhead]

bhstewie said:

Quite.

To Brenda and "Oh no another Election!!" I believe I read that it cost around £100m?

Now I'm no economist so wouldn't claim to know the hidden costs caused by political uncertainty or whatever you want to call it.

But does you think May was really trying to save money and provide "Strong and Stable" government or simply doing anything, including buying votes, to remain in power?

Incidentally do we get the money back if it collapses?

But, on a positive note, they found a money tree considering two weeks they said austerity is over and now they are handing out billion pound cheques. I guess there is a queue somewhere we can join?

[Jockman]

vonuber said:

WindyCommon said:

Whilst this is a grubby deal, my gut feel is that it is better than the alternatives. If you were TM, what would you have done differently since the election?

Run a minority government and seeked consensus with other parties on important issues to do the best for the country? Like grownups do?

This >could< be the funniest post of the day.

[Jockman]

bhstewie said:

Agreed.

She's a laughing stock.

To those defending it as "the best deal in the circumstances" a hypothetical.

The election results come in and it becomes clear that Labour and the SNP and Green(s) could form a government with a majority of one.

Nicola Sturgeon names her price and it's $5bn for Scotland and Caroline Lucas asks for £50m additional funding for Brighton Council.

Corbyn says yes.

How is it any different? Yet I suspect the reaction here would be very different because people view it through red and blue lenses rather than right and wrong.

I thought Corbyn declared he would form no coalition with any other party? He was prepared to run as a minority Govt.

[FN2TypeR]

Jockman said:

I thought Corbyn declared he would form no coalition with any other party? He was prepared to run as a minority Govt.

People promise all sorts of things - there wasn't even going to be a general election remember? Then when the chips are down they do what they like, I have no doubt in my mind that the bearded one would have done a deal

[Jockman]

FN2TypeR said:

Jockman said:

I thought Corbyn declared he would form no coalition with any other party? He was prepared to run as a minority Govt.

People promise all sorts of things - there wasn't even going to be a general election remember? Then when the chips are down they do what they like, I have no doubt in my mind that the bearded one would have done a deal

I thought he was a principled man? His interviews after the election show him prepared to form a minority govt with no need for any coalition with any other party.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Jockman said:

I thought he was a principled man? His interviews after the election show him prepared to form a minority govt with no need for any coalition with any other party.

The last man to walk in to Parliament with principles was Guy Fawkes. After him, it's all been downhill.

[Jockman]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Jockman said:

I thought he was a principled man? His interviews after the election show him prepared to form a minority govt with no need for any coalition with any other party.

The last man to walk in to Parliament with principles was Guy Fawkes. After him, it's all been downhill.

Lol. You could be right.

Trouble is......I actually believe the guy!! I think he would have run as a minority govt.

[Puggit]

Jockman said:

I thought Corbyn declared he would form no coalition with any other party? He was prepared to run as a minority Govt.

And the Conservative party would find willing helpers (mainly the DUP, even without the deal) to defeat every vote in parliament.

The man is a raving loony who has no chance of running a minority government without a stronger vote.

[BigMon]

Having mulled it over, I still think this is farcical and May needs to go.

However, if the alternative was Corbyn and, especially, McDonnell holding the reins of power then I think I would sanction almost any payment.

I'm 44 and I think we currently have the most inept set of politicians on both sides of the house within my living memory. All this with Brexit approaching too.

Marvellous. Is it too early to start drinking?

[Jockman]

BigMon said:

Having mulled it over, I still think this is farcical and May needs to go.

However, if the alternative was Corbyn and, especially, McDonnell holding the reins of power then I think I would sanction almost any payment.

I'm 44 and I think we currently have the most inept set of politicians on both sides of the house within my living memory. All this with Brexit approaching too.

Marvellous. Is it too early to start drinking?

Difficult to argue against. Including the drinking bit.

[Eddie Strohacker]

BigMon said:

Having mulled it over, I still think this is farcical and May needs to go.

However, if the alternative was Corbyn and, especially, McDonnell holding the reigns of power then I think I would sanction almost any payment.

I'm 44 and I think we currently have the most inept set of politicians on both sides of the house within my living memory. All this with Brexit approaching too.

Marvellous. Is it too early to start drinking?

Agree with the ineptness. Not seen such a piss poor bunch in my lifetime but the alternative is a Tory leadership contest, which they won't want or another election, which they desperately won't want since despite cocking it right up with the worst campaign in living memory, they're not so stupid that they can't see going to the polls again represents a very real possibility of a Labour majority.

When you consider this whole thing started out as a Conservative attempt to suture the Europe issue, it really has turned into the most tremendous clusterfk of monumental proportions that I believe will in time be judged to be the most capriciously wilful act of self harm the country has perpetrated against itself in as long as anyone can remember. Mine's a large Rioja.

[hyphen]

p1stonhead said:

'Estate Agents Insist London Market is booming after Woman Pays £1 billion for house on Downing Street'

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/26/london-estate-agen...

[wst]

Eddie Strohacker said:

When you consider this whole thing started out as a Conservative attempt to suture the Europe issue, it really has turned into the most tremendous clusterfk of monumental proportions that I believe will in time be judged to be the most capriciously wilful act of self harm the country has perpetrated against itself in as long as anyone can remember. Mine's a large Rioja.

It's a shame we have to be in the country and witnessing this one. It'd be entertaining to watch from somewhere strong and stable.

[gooner1]

Jockman said:

vonuber said:

WindyCommon said:

Whilst this is a grubby deal, my gut feel is that it is better than the alternatives. If you were TM, what would you have done differently since the election?

Run a minority government and seeked consensus with other parties on important issues to do the best for the country? Like grownups do?

This >could< be the funniest post of the day.

Which is a sad indictment on the whole state of affairs we find ourselves in.