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mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.GloverMart said:
Words fail me!
From Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
Holy mother of Jesus, wtf.. From Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
Hospital have released a statement
http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/...
Really getting out of control.
Sylvaforever said:
mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.The kids a vegetable, turn the damn machine off. If you think that keeping him alive is in his best interests, then your humanity left the building a long, long time ago.
He's suffering, his parents are suffering. Let him go.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:FN2TypeR said:
Despicable, genuinely shameful - how can people even bring themselves to act like that and try to justify it?
It's wrong, you can't justify it, but then I think it's shameful and can't be justified how some people on here are rounding on the parents who, however misguided, are only acting in what they feel are the best interests of their son.SydneyBridge said:
GloverMart said:
Words fail me!
From Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
Holy mother of Jesus, wtf.. From Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
Hospital have released a statement
http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/...
Really getting out of control.
After a "bad" week in court, and with the possibility of more news going against them on Tuesday, all of a sudden it's a "cynical ploy" from the hospital.
IMO, getting this slimy, smarmy prick involved was one bad move from the family. You wonder how much is coming from the parents mouths and how much is actually his idea.
GloverMart said:
Words fail me!
From Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
What a fFrom Sky News Twitter feed..... "Gard family spokesman tells Sky News Great Ormond Street Hospital claim that staff have received death threats is "arguably a cynical ploy"
king idiot!At least the family have released a sensible statement condemning any threats.
Sylvaforever said:
mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.But back to the point in hand, Charlie Guard's parents can't have it both ways. They've been very critical of GOSH who, as an organisation, are only doing what the think is best for the child. Because they think GOSH have got it wrong. They can't then think they are immune from criticism for doing what they think is best for their child, from others who think they have it wrong.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Sylvaforever said:
mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.TwigtheWonderkid said:
But back to the point in hand, Charlie Guard's parents can't have it both ways. They've been very critical of GOSH who, as an organisation, are only doing what the think is best for the child. Because they think GOSH have got it wrong. They can't then think they are immune from criticism for doing what they think is best for their child, from others who think they have it wrong.
Agree with that too. There is also a difference between criticism, based on the sort of medical facts presented (summed up well on here by Wiccan) and some of the more emotive crap that's been flung at them, but just because some people have to fling insults doesn't allow you to excuse all criticism as 'despicable'.Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.Sylvaforever said:
mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.Bring back large Victorian families with the offset that nature intended......
I was worrying about the NHS spending billions on keeping old folk alive to snore away their lives in care homes. But obviously the younger generation now want to get into the act too.
Tongue in cheek, but we are starting to have a large costly problem with medicine. That has to be stumped up for.
It's not sustainable
I was worrying about the NHS spending billions on keeping old folk alive to snore away their lives in care homes. But obviously the younger generation now want to get into the act too.
Tongue in cheek, but we are starting to have a large costly problem with medicine. That has to be stumped up for.
It's not sustainable
Edited by Gandahar on Monday 24th July 05:45
Gandahar said:
Bring back large Victorian families with the offset that nature intended......
I was worrying about the NHS spending billions on keeping old folk alive to snore away their lives in care homes. But obviously the younger generation now want to get into the act too.
Tongue in cheek, but we are starting to have a large costly problem with medicine. That has to be stumped up for.
It's not sustainable
Agree totally. Once the line is drawn individuals shouldn't be in a position to go beyond it. Though I am a little mixed on if people can fully fund treatment themselves - the problem in this case being the "quality of life angle".I was worrying about the NHS spending billions on keeping old folk alive to snore away their lives in care homes. But obviously the younger generation now want to get into the act too.
Tongue in cheek, but we are starting to have a large costly problem with medicine. That has to be stumped up for.
It's not sustainable
I guess today's hearing will finally draw that line, hopefully. It's just a shame that process couldn't have happened quicker to stop this being protracted for all sides.
This sounds horrible but the parents appear to what Charlie alive no matter what quality of live he (and they by extension) would have.
Forget the cost and framework to support him/them for 10yrs+ that ^^ possibly may lead into - why has no one actually said 'stop. No more appeals'?
They've exhausted every legal route yet now it seems that media pressure is staying turning off his life support. Why?
Forget the cost and framework to support him/them for 10yrs+ that ^^ possibly may lead into - why has no one actually said 'stop. No more appeals'?
They've exhausted every legal route yet now it seems that media pressure is staying turning off his life support. Why?
Sylvaforever said:
mondeoman said:
Sylvaforever said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I take your point, but parents who, in reality, are not doing what's best for their children, should not be immune to criticism just because they think they are. Ultimately, there are parents who allow FGM on their daughters, or beat or mistreat their kids in other ways, because they genuinely think it's in the best long term interests of their kids. They are wrong, and deserved to be criticised for their actions.
Despicable post.I think that 'experts' and 'authority' are not trusted by many people, and consequently some people think that if they make enough noise and fuss on the periphery of an issue that their view will prevail. However wrong that view may be.
I think we will see/are seeing a similar situation re the Grenfell fire. In a way Trump and other political issues are the other side of the same coin.
I think we will see/are seeing a similar situation re the Grenfell fire. In a way Trump and other political issues are the other side of the same coin.
Decision expected tomorrow, not today. Most of the media, all of Twitter, and those protesting forget that it was GOSH who instigated this latest hearing, not the parents (directly).
This will run for a long time. Either way, the claims of "if only" (quicker, sooner, blah, blah) will start.
One of the things I don't get is that the Columbia doctor was consulted before and he said that he didn't realize "how far gone" Charlie was. What is the new evidence?
This will run for a long time. Either way, the claims of "if only" (quicker, sooner, blah, blah) will start.
One of the things I don't get is that the Columbia doctor was consulted before and he said that he didn't realize "how far gone" Charlie was. What is the new evidence?
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