Robert Peston job ad - whites need not apply

[Rovinghawk]

Randy Winkman said:

This is a genuinely open question - are there other routes into the profession and (perhaps) evidence that lots of white people are already taking advantage of those routes?

I don't know but would suspect that any such routes are equally open to non-whites, especially in light of Peston's ad.

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Countdown said:

stitched said:

del mar said:

Should the original article have said;

"We actively encourage applicants from a BAME background" ?

They are sending the message without taking any stance on race.

Absolutely, I am all in favour of encouraging all applicants. Assisting through education etc.
Holding someones skin colour against them in a job application is just wrong.

If you're assisting through education isn't that giving them an "unfair advantage"? What about free interview coaching or CV preparation guidance?

There is a difference between assessing candidates some of whom had better starts in life and telling the best candidate 'sorry mate you are the wrong colour' one can be addressed, the other is racism.

[Countdown]

stitched said:

There is a difference between assessing candidates some of whom had better starts in life and telling the best candidate 'sorry mate you are the wrong colour' one can be addressed, the other is racism.

However you dress it up you are suggesting giving an advantage to one demographic over another “because they had a better start in life”. That’s the definition of positive discrimination.

And how would you assess which demographic had had the “better start in life”?

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Right at the top of the tree we have politicians who are 'allowed' to employ their wives and children in non jobs which are sometimes not even advertised.
We have 'select' jobs which are almost impossible to attain unless you come from the right background, we have an unfair playing field which needs repair.
There are a lot more disaffected impoverished white citizens in this country than there are privilidged ones.
If we as a society are to address these issues then there cannot be any place for race in the judgement of candidates, how can I criticise a white racist if I tolerate a job description only allowing non white applicants?

[Murph7355]

Carl_Manchester said:

... (football management is argued as being such an example)....

What about players...?

[amusingduck]

TTwiggy said:

otolith said:

TTwiggy said:

98elise said:

Medicine?

At what level of medicine?

Some numbers here.

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/Ethnic_diver...

So not that diverse at senior level (South Asian excepted) and certainly not under-represented by the white demographic.

Sorry to drag this back up again (only just got round to reading the rest of this thread).

I disagree - doesn't this link definitively show an under-representation of white Doctors (Board level excepted)?

Google suggests the UK is 87% "White or White British"
59% of all Doctors are white
66% of UK national Doctors are white
68% of UK national Consultants are white

Seems to me that the white demographic is definitely under-represented here.

This is what equality looks like. Equal opportunity, not equal representation.

[Puggit]

Young Labour Equalities Conference - white men not required.

[BrabusMog]

Puggit said:

Young Labour Equalities Conference - white men not required.

Is that a pisstake?!

[Puggit]

BrabusMog said:

Is that a pisstake?!

Just self define yourself as a black lesbian disabled woman - they'll have to let you in

[Mr. White]

Puggit said:

Young Labour Equalities Conference - white men not required.

You only have to “self define” into one of those groups. That can be as accurate as my tradesman cousin’s “self assessment” tax returns.

[AreOut]

"one or more" is still better than every of the following groups

[williamp]

...but cant I self identify as a 27 year old??, Im trans-age, you know, I feel discriminated against

[Thorodin]

That advert does not exclude White people in any way. You can 'identify' in any of the given categories. 100% diverse. On the other hand it is ageist.

[98elise]

BrabusMog said:

Puggit said:

Young Labour Equalities Conference - white men not required.

Is that a pisstake?!

Why would it be? At recent Labour ticket only event, you were charged more if you were white. I'm not sure if what happened if you identified as black, or if you had a bit of a tan.

[anonymous-user]

williamp said:

...but cant I self identify as a 27 year old??, Im trans-age, you know, I feel discriminated against

I'm two 21 year old Asian lesbians. Multiple personality disorder must fill an extra box. So to speak.

[Russian Troll Bot]

What about those who identify as Otherkin? This sort of discrimination against animals is a disgrace.

[AreOut]

Animals? I want to be a plant you faunist.