Moped gang rob Porsche driver at knife point for watch

[Zod]

I think I might cease wearing my watch while driving around London with the windows down.

[superkartracer]

Gecko1978 said:

superkartracer said:

Gecko1978 said:

Four Litre said:

Appreciate nobody knows how they will react until put in the situation. Anyone legal know what would happen to the Porsche drive if he had / she had knocked them off and run them over. Could you say self defence as they had knife and feared for you life etc.

This

Waive a knife at me in my car espoeciually if my kids are there I am a) going to be terrified b) not think stright c) be willing to smash my car an others to protect family an myself

so likely I run over you am I going to prison?

You are sitting there chatting to wife , all of a sudden theres a large knife pointed at your face or worse your face is burning off from the acid they splashed over you , at a guess b) terrified .

definat;ly b) just wondering if I turn cr sharpo an run ovetr persons legs etc am I goiung to jail

I had 5 black guys jump out of a van with baseball bats 15 years ago on a dark winters eve ( wife and two year old in car ) in Brum , i reversed and managed to escape , only as i had space , the other option was i mow them down but the good wife advised me not to bother , two reasons 1. Prison 2. We were on the road we lived on so risked revenge of some sort .

I'd spotted them following us a few miles before , they flew past us and made a hash of the stop so gave me some time , we were lucky i guess.

Police could not have given a toss at time , said our fault for driving such a car.. so i told them next time i'll kill them and was told prison without a doubt .

[hyphen]

Zod said:

I think I might cease wearing my watch while driving around London with the windows down.

What about your mobile phone running Waze though, they want phones too

[loose cannon]

So the argument for not running the little s over is oh they have just thrown acid over you, so let's ask the question again the windows are shut and the doors locked, what is the price for running them over ?

[TheRainMaker]

Gecko1978 said:

This

Waive a knife at me in my car espoeciually if my kids are there I am a) going to be terrified b) not think stright c) be willing to smash my car an others to protect family an myself

so likely I run over you am I going to prison?

No, HTH

[XM5ER]

Halb said:

La Liga said:

Much better to 'clothesline' them when on foot. Although if they're wearing helmets it can bruise the forearm, so I am told

Rick Steiner style.


A question LL. Say the person taping this then decided to floor it into the modeds as they were turning round.
What sort of charges would they face? One could say one was in fear of the same thing happening? lack of sanity temporarily ?

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

[Zod]

hyphen said:

Zod said:

I think I might cease wearing my watch while driving around London with the windows down.

What about your mobile phone running Waze though, they want phones too

Damn. Good point.

[Digga]

XM5ER said:

Halb said:

La Liga said:

Much better to 'clothesline' them when on foot. Although if they're wearing helmets it can bruise the forearm, so I am told

Rick Steiner style.


A question LL. Say the person taping this then decided to floor it into the modeds as they were turning round.
What sort of charges would they face? One could say one was in fear of the same thing happening? lack of sanity temporarily ?

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

You get 5 points and a grand fine just for passing too close to a bicycle. God knows what the idiotic legal system would throw at you for knocking two people off a moped - might they reinstate banishment to the colonies?

[LocoCoco]

XM5ER said:

Halb said:

La Liga said:

Much better to 'clothesline' them when on foot. Although if they're wearing helmets it can bruise the forearm, so I am told

Rick Steiner style.


A question LL. Say the person taping this then decided to floor it into the modeds as they were turning round.
What sort of charges would they face? One could say one was in fear of the same thing happening? lack of sanity temporarily ?

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

Yep, you'd probably end up in a similar situation to that Tony Martin guy who shot a burglar and got done for murder.

[Halb]

XM5ER said:

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

If the defence was, trying to escape from knife wielding assailants?

superkartracer said:

I had 5 black guys jump out of a van with baseball bats 15 years ago on a dark winters eve ( wife and two year old in car ) in Brum , i reversed and managed to escape , only as i had space , the other option was i mow them down but the good wife advised me not to bother , two reasons 1. Prison 2. We were on the road we lived on so risked revenge of some sort .

I'd spotted them following us a few miles before , they flew past us and made a hash of the stop so gave me some time , we were lucky i guess.

Police could not have given a toss at time , said our fault for driving such a car.. so i told them next time i'll kill them and was told prison without a doubt .

what was th car?

[superkartracer]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...

How could you escape this ?

[superkartracer]

Halb said:

XM5ER said:

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

If the defence was, trying to escape from knife wielding assailants?

superkartracer said:

I had 5 black guys jump out of a van with baseball bats 15 years ago on a dark winters eve ( wife and two year old in car ) in Brum , i reversed and managed to escape , only as i had space , the other option was i mow them down but the good wife advised me not to bother , two reasons 1. Prison 2. We were on the road we lived on so risked revenge of some sort .

I'd spotted them following us a few miles before , they flew past us and made a hash of the stop so gave me some time , we were lucky i guess.

Police could not have given a toss at time , said our fault for driving such a car.. so i told them next time i'll kill them and was told prison without a doubt .

what was th car?

One of the fastest in the UK at the time ha ( good job ) i was also racing f3 cars at the time ( club ) so handy , the Police were very very serious and threatening so i made the correct choice i feel .

[Zod]

Gio G said:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-mo...

I suspect you need to keep those windows closed during the summer months going through towns, otherwise these scumbags will take your watch.. I wish someone just rammed them off their bikes!

What would you have done seeing this, like the person filming it?

G

I think the compromise may be to open the windows, but not enough to allow this kind of threat.

[Oakey]

superkartracer said:

One of the fastest in the UK at the time ha ( good job ) i was also racing f3 cars at the time ( club ) so handy , the Police were very very serious and threatening so i made the correct choice i feel .

What do you expect them to say if you tell them you plan to kill someone in the future?

You should have just kept quiet, then in the future should it happen again do whatever you feel is necessary.

So long as you say the right things after the fact, and preferably they die the first time you run them over (so no reversing over them back and forth) it'll be difficult for the CPS to build a case against you.

"I was in fear for my life", "they were threatening to kill me", "i was just trying to escape", etc, etc, not " I was filled with rage so I ran that fker down and reversed back over his head for good measure".

[garagewidow]

LocoCoco said:

Yep, you'd probably end up in a similar situation to that Tony Martin guy who shot a burglar and got done for murder.

how can you compare someone shooting someone in the back with a shotgun to someone doing a u turn to try and escape the scene of a possible mugging and/or gbh and (un)intentionally hitting the culprit(s) in the process?

I would chance the consequences TBH.

this country's going mad.

[XM5ER]

Halb said:

XM5ER said:

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

If the defence was, trying to escape from knife wielding assailants?

The Porsche driver yes, but this was in response to the question about the person filming the incident. They'd throw the book at you.

[birdcage]

Lets say I was to drive an RS4, like watches plus travel though the East End most Fridays to go down to the country with my kids in the car, usually with the windows open...Sounds like I would be lucky to get to the Blackwall tunnel with the shirt on my back

As an aside how easy are side windows to smash?

[Flugplatz]

birdcage said:

As an aside how easy are side windows to smash?

https://youtu.be/WRbR2fynp1o

[abzmike]

As pointed out these attacks are mostly perpetrated by two people on a moped - One to drive and stabilize it, the other to wield the knife, acid, bat, and actually carry out the attack. Simple answer for many of these, an emergency bylaw prohibiting passengers. Are mopeds really intended for 2 people anyway?

[Hoofy]

XM5ER said:

Halb said:

XM5ER said:

Dangerous driving, GBH? You know that the police (CPS) would not let it drop as vigilantism is worse than the crime. You can't have people going around taking the law into their own hands and executing summary justice (you really can't).

If the defence was, trying to escape from knife wielding assailants?

The Porsche driver yes, but this was in response to the question about the person filming the incident. They'd throw the book at you.

What about the taxi driver that tried to ram the terrorists on London bridge? Shouldn't he get done for dangerous driving or something?