Violent crime up 18% in England and Wales
Discussion
...and the recently published HMIC crime data integrity inspections have established that from the last six forces inspected - violent crime is still underrecorded by 20% on average - so the current published figures are still miles out.
Heres the Cheshire Police report
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/publi...
Heres the Cheshire Police report
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/publi...
Gandahar said:
Digga said:
Regiment said:
You forgot the obvious, the "it's all the people who talk a bit foreign" doing it all. Sobering.
To an extent, it matters not who's "doing it", but rather that it is, clearly, sufficiently easy to so do that the figures have burgeoned so rapidly.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Frybywire said:
You mean 'poor people'?
No, organised violent and serious crime actually pays quite well.However, we grow plenty enough of our own criminals and, it would seem, anomalies in the crime figures themselves make any year-on-year comparison meaningless anyway, the main issue has to be with the policing in general rather than the specifics of who does what IMHO.
From the latest published inspection of Lincs Police released this week
''Violence against the person
72.97 of reported violent crimes were recorded
Over 3,200 reports of violent crime a year are not recorded
We found that 72.7 percent of violent crimes reported to the force are recorded (with a confidence interval of +/- 3.30 percent). This is lower than the overall crime-recording rate noted above. By our estimate, this means the force fails to record over 3,200 violent crimes that are reported to it each year. As violent crime can be particularly distressing for the victim, this is an area in which the need for improvement is particularly acute.''
So forces still arent getting recording right
Humberside underrecorded violent crime by 11% which equates to 6,200 unrecorded violent crimes
''Violence against the person
72.97 of reported violent crimes were recorded
Over 3,200 reports of violent crime a year are not recorded
We found that 72.7 percent of violent crimes reported to the force are recorded (with a confidence interval of +/- 3.30 percent). This is lower than the overall crime-recording rate noted above. By our estimate, this means the force fails to record over 3,200 violent crimes that are reported to it each year. As violent crime can be particularly distressing for the victim, this is an area in which the need for improvement is particularly acute.''
So forces still arent getting recording right
Humberside underrecorded violent crime by 11% which equates to 6,200 unrecorded violent crimes
Not really, just tedious and time consuming when police officers could be doing better things with their time.
I'd prefer for police officers to write off a waste of time scuffle as quickly as possible and let the Inspectorate and the like worry about whether or not it should have been a common assault, for example.
Overall we're probably still seeing an increase in the police recording offfences, so a lot of data needs reading in conjunction with the Crime Survey of England and Wales to weight correctly.
However, one pretty unambiguous area of crime data is homicide. The increases of which are gaining a fair bit of attention.
I'd prefer for police officers to write off a waste of time scuffle as quickly as possible and let the Inspectorate and the like worry about whether or not it should have been a common assault, for example.
Overall we're probably still seeing an increase in the police recording offfences, so a lot of data needs reading in conjunction with the Crime Survey of England and Wales to weight correctly.
However, one pretty unambiguous area of crime data is homicide. The increases of which are gaining a fair bit of attention.
Sort of my area of expertise (I actually specialise in Sexual Violence and Domestic Abuse, but currently diverted to some issues around children and young people).
Sitting in a car tapping on a phone whilst the boy's in after-school basketball, but briefly - it's complicated! For example, up to a few years ago we would regard rising Sexual Violence numbers as a 'good' thing - indicative of better recording by Police, increased confidence among victims to come forward, a higher percentage of victims accessing support. After all, there was no reason to suppose that, actually, Sexual Violence was on the increase, was there?
Then we set out to prove that there was not an underlying increase - and you can't. You just can't. The current increases are not accounted for by more historical offences being reported, or at least not entirely (again, that's very difficult given the available data). Effectively it is a matter of faith that Sexual Violence isn't actually on the increase, because we cannot prove it. I have some theories about causation, and express the opinion in meetings that we do have a growing problem of attitudes and social conditions, but to accept that we would also have to accept the necessity to do something about it.
As for Violent Crime, yes, undoubtedly Police recording is greatly improved,with a whole layer of stuff now correctly recorded. However, is this masking actual, real, increases?
I'll have a look at the homicide numbers tomorrow (I tend to only look at the ones connected to Domestic Abuse). One interesting point to note is that the long term trends (back to the 1960s) reflect improvements in medical care - stuff that is survivable now wasn't necessarily so a few years ago.
Sitting in a car tapping on a phone whilst the boy's in after-school basketball, but briefly - it's complicated! For example, up to a few years ago we would regard rising Sexual Violence numbers as a 'good' thing - indicative of better recording by Police, increased confidence among victims to come forward, a higher percentage of victims accessing support. After all, there was no reason to suppose that, actually, Sexual Violence was on the increase, was there?
Then we set out to prove that there was not an underlying increase - and you can't. You just can't. The current increases are not accounted for by more historical offences being reported, or at least not entirely (again, that's very difficult given the available data). Effectively it is a matter of faith that Sexual Violence isn't actually on the increase, because we cannot prove it. I have some theories about causation, and express the opinion in meetings that we do have a growing problem of attitudes and social conditions, but to accept that we would also have to accept the necessity to do something about it.
As for Violent Crime, yes, undoubtedly Police recording is greatly improved,with a whole layer of stuff now correctly recorded. However, is this masking actual, real, increases?
I'll have a look at the homicide numbers tomorrow (I tend to only look at the ones connected to Domestic Abuse). One interesting point to note is that the long term trends (back to the 1960s) reflect improvements in medical care - stuff that is survivable now wasn't necessarily so a few years ago.
Octoposse said:
One interesting point to note is that the long term trends (back to the 1960s) reflect improvements in medical care - stuff that is survivable now wasn't necessarily so a few years ago.
Scant consolation for the poor soul being kicked around their local town centre tonight like a rag doll because the local, violent recidivist is just out early from his most recent jail term.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff