New diesel and petrol cars banned from UK roads by 2030
Discussion
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
If we are looking at what pollutes the most, then we must look at `all' sources, Currently CO2 emissions directly attributable to global computer manufacture, and use, exceeds that coming from global aviation.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Are we next to see computers being banned, or at the least only available for use at specified times? There are also TVs and monitor screens all consuming electricity at various rates.
Perhaps there will be bans on any activity that consumes resources and then emits CO2?
So no houses, pop festivals, foreign holidays, ships, fishing boats, combined harvesters and tractors, Cinemas, schools, hospitals, shops etc, or personal transport of any kind.
Incidentally you forgot to include trains and busses and taxis, many of which also spew out toxic filth into the air we breathe, many of which continue to run ALL day sometimes with few, or no passenger's at all on them in the most inefficient for any vehicle stop start mode. (plus the busses make an enormous amount of noise, so there is also the noise pollution aspect to be taken into account).
We've not got the electricity genarating capability to power all the repacement electric cars, and no plans to supply it, neither the capabilty either. No chance of providing charging facilities at home. Now add in the proposed removal of gas as a home enegy source, and repacing it with electricity. Leave it all to the politicians eh ?
A500leroy said:
Vans are great (now cv19 has hit) why have 200 cars going to the same shop when 1 van can go and deliver the same amount of stuff to 200 houses.
I agree, lorries and vans are all on the road because they’re working fulfilling a purpose, we as a country simply can’t do without them and the ability to have them as EVs without compromising their ability is further off than it is with cars-perhaps not so much with vans but certainly they’re miles off replacing diesel in larger lorries.robinessex said:
We've not got the electricity genarating capability to power all the repacement electric cars, and no plans to supply it, neither the capabilty either. No chance of providing charging facilities at home. Now add in the proposed removal of gas as a home enegy source, and repacing it with electricity. Leave it all to the politicians eh ?
Good points. On paper EV`s make sense, because most vehicles just sit in the garage, outside the home, parked in the road, / car park etc doing nothing for most of the time. The perfect opportunity for them to be charged up.The reality, as you have pointed out is quite different (certainly for the time being) no renewable system can reliably meet the demands of the country now, let alone when we have gone solely EV, unless the base load is handled by a massive increase nuclear energy production.
However there will still be some who don't even want that either!
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Why is there hardly any mention that without HGV`s, vans lorries etc, we would all be right royally b*lloxed, (and probably starving as well)Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
You’d be surprised a the ongoing drive about emissions in commercial vehicles, as has been mentioned, bio diesel is a big thing, also CNG is expanding quickly, I’m pretty sure most if not all of the Waitrose fleet is CNG, and specialist refuelling sites are popping up to supply it.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
I know there is one just off the M62 near Warrington as you can see it, if memory serves me right there’s one just of J19 M1 too, seem to remember it when I had to use the A5 near Rugby for a while to see a client.
A500leroy said:
I really do think motorbikes/electric mopeds are the future of local personal transport in places with poor public transport.
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt. People pay a big chunk of their earnings to run cars because cars are great.
It makes no financial sense my wife and I running two cars when she has retired and most of her journeys are under 2 miles each way. But we do because we can. If I'm at work with one car (a journey to far to cycle and not possible by public transport) she can take both dogs to the moor to give them a proper run. Or do the supermarket run etc.
Mopeds are fine in dry weather if to loads are needing to be carried. And if they are being parked somewhere theft isn't a problem. Many people don't want them and won't feel safe using them.
bristolracer said:
irc said:
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt.
irc said:
A500leroy said:
I really do think motorbikes/electric mopeds are the future of local personal transport in places with poor public transport.
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt. People pay a big chunk of their earnings to run cars because cars are great.
It makes no financial sense my wife and I running two cars when she has retired and most of her journeys are under 2 miles each way. But we do because we can. If I'm at work with one car (a journey to far to cycle and not possible by public transport) she can take both dogs to the moor to give them a proper run. Or do the supermarket run etc.
Mopeds are fine in dry weather if to loads are needing to be carried. And if they are being parked somewhere theft isn't a problem. Many people don't want them and won't feel safe using them.
tting down sideways or i need to carry things i use an old 500 quid motorbike. my round trip commute costs £1.50 in petrol a day and i don’t contribute to congestion. i also have a 320bhp petrol car, but for this particular journey it’d be a bit overkill. the point is, i use my initiative and discretion. and so should we all.
Pan Pan Pan said:
bristolracer said:
irc said:
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt.
t, we might as well put a downpayment on that donkey we've been looking at.bristolracer said:
irc said:
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
If we are looking at what pollutes the most, then we must look at `all' sources, Currently CO2 emissions directly attributable to global computer manufacture, and use, exceeds that coming from global aviation.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Are we next to see computers being banned, or at the least only available for use at specified times? There are also TVs and monitor screens all consuming electricity at various rates.
Perhaps there will be bans on any activity that consumes resources and then emits CO2?
So no houses, pop festivals, foreign holidays, ships, fishing boats, combined harvesters and tractors, Cinemas, schools, hospitals, shops etc, or personal transport of any kind.
Incidentally you forgot to include trains and busses and taxis, many of which also spew out toxic filth into the air we breathe, many of which continue to run ALL day sometimes with few, or no passenger's at all on them in the most inefficient for any vehicle stop start mode. (plus the busses make an enormous amount of noise, so there is also the noise pollution aspect to be taken into account).
166 MM Barchetta said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
You’d be surprised a the ongoing drive about emissions in commercial vehicles, as has been mentioned, bio diesel is a big thing, also CNG is expanding quickly, I’m pretty sure most if not all of the Waitrose fleet is CNG, and specialist refuelling sites are popping up to supply it.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
I know there is one just off the M62 near Warrington as you can see it, if memory serves me right there’s one just of J19 M1 too, seem to remember it when I had to use the A5 near Rugby for a while to see a client.
DPD use some Nissan EV vans - https://www.dpd.co.uk/content/about_dpd/press_cent... (a friend was the first DPD driver to crash one, reversing into a bollard....).
V1nce Fox said:
irc said:
A500leroy said:
I really do think motorbikes/electric mopeds are the future of local personal transport in places with poor public transport.
Really? Try carryng dogs or kids on a motorbike. Try taking a pile of stuff to the dump. A weeks shopping. Taking granny to her hospitakl appt. People pay a big chunk of their earnings to run cars because cars are great.
It makes no financial sense my wife and I running two cars when she has retired and most of her journeys are under 2 miles each way. But we do because we can. If I'm at work with one car (a journey to far to cycle and not possible by public transport) she can take both dogs to the moor to give them a proper run. Or do the supermarket run etc.
Mopeds are fine in dry weather if to loads are needing to be carried. And if they are being parked somewhere theft isn't a problem. Many people don't want them and won't feel safe using them.
tting down sideways or i need to carry things i use an old 500 quid motorbike. my round trip commute costs £1.50 in petrol a day and i don’t contribute to congestion. i also have a 320bhp petrol car, but for this particular journey it’d be a bit overkill. the point is, i use my initiative and discretion. and so should we all.
motco said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Why is there hardly ever any mention of the real big diesel polluters on UK roads...Vans, lorries, and HGV's.
Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
If we are looking at what pollutes the most, then we must look at `all' sources, Currently CO2 emissions directly attributable to global computer manufacture, and use, exceeds that coming from global aviation.Does the toxic filth they spew into the air we breathe not count?
Are we next to see computers being banned, or at the least only available for use at specified times? There are also TVs and monitor screens all consuming electricity at various rates.
Perhaps there will be bans on any activity that consumes resources and then emits CO2?
So no houses, pop festivals, foreign holidays, ships, fishing boats, combined harvesters and tractors, Cinemas, schools, hospitals, shops etc, or personal transport of any kind.
Incidentally you forgot to include trains and busses and taxis, many of which also spew out toxic filth into the air we breathe, many of which continue to run ALL day sometimes with few, or no passenger's at all on them in the most inefficient for any vehicle stop start mode. (plus the busses make an enormous amount of noise, so there is also the noise pollution aspect to be taken into account).
But lets have the East Asian delivery version that some seem to be supporting, where goods are delivered on a stinky polluting two stroke,...….in their billions! That`ll save the planet wont it?
Yes Graeme from the Grid suggested employers would install charging points for employees.
That made me laugh.
Not those that don't have a car park, for sure.
Those that lease their office and parking space might grumble. Many don't have enough space for all their staff and visitors to park anyway.
A few months back I want to see a prospective supplier. A neighbouring business had charging points in the space reserved for the directors, on the wall of the building. They had one special space next to those for the best performing sales person at that point in time. So cheesy! This space also had a charging point. None of the other spaces had a charging point.
That made me laugh.
Not those that don't have a car park, for sure.
Those that lease their office and parking space might grumble. Many don't have enough space for all their staff and visitors to park anyway.
A few months back I want to see a prospective supplier. A neighbouring business had charging points in the space reserved for the directors, on the wall of the building. They had one special space next to those for the best performing sales person at that point in time. So cheesy! This space also had a charging point. None of the other spaces had a charging point.
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