Finding Staff That Can Do Stuff

Finding Staff That Can Do Stuff

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DSLiverpool

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14,742 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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We need an in house full time front end dev with a small flair for design and a brain that goes laterally not just task based, can we find one via our networks, other agencies no we cant. So - where is best to search ? I have "Indeed" on my list and I refuse to use an agency (but might have to?).

Anyone suggest anything ?

Right now its the only thing holding us back and a freelancer / contractor is a plaster over a broken leg - we need a driver not a passenger and from a cash point of view its not a problem maybe the location (Liverpool / Wirral) is an issue but it has to be a body in the office so cant change that.

I realise being 16 months old doesnt help either but we havent got far enough with anyone to get past the suitability / availability / wantability precursor.


jammy-git

29,778 posts

212 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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I agree with the above.

I wouldn't rule out a remote worker either unless you need a body to meet clients.

Just like cars and houses, you'll go through a few before you find a good one!

EddieSteadyGo

11,920 posts

203 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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I was thinking about employing a person with these skills to assist with the development of our website and in-house systems.

My company is based in the South East whereas I know you are looking to recruit further north. However, the salary costs seem to vary wildly based on what I can see when looking on indeed.co.uk at similar jobs.

Do you think the approx market rate for this kind of job is about £40k per year?

eliot

11,428 posts

254 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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EddieSteadyGo said:
Do you think the approx market rate for this kind of job is about £40k per year?
I suspect op is offering far less than that.

DSLiverpool

Original Poster:

14,742 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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The off site freelancer who we need to replace with a in the office type is £1k a week and lately it's been full time, where we are £40k is top end and £30k more realistic. This is crucial now but we think it might be two people not one and we're looking at affordability - sadly as I add nothing to the business except ownership of 51% I still can't take big bucks but hey my bupas covered ;-)

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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op you need to offer at least 45k or else the serious devs will just ignore you; you'll be left with all the chaff that nobody else will touch with a barge pole

jammy-git

29,778 posts

212 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Personally if I was looking for someone absolutely top notch then I'd be looking on LinkedIn to poach someone already employed. I mean, anyone looking for work has either never had a job or is unemployed for a reason.... Sure there's probably some unemployed that are half decent, but I imagine the percentage of wheat to chaff is much higher in the currently employed pool than it is in the unemployed pool!

rog007

5,759 posts

224 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Hiring staff is hard; hiring great staff is even harder!

Money does talk, but so does an exciting role in a great organisation.

Potential hires all have different motivations so just putting up the salary may not grab the good guy who only wants to work in the office 3 days a week.

The greater the salary you can offer, the more flexible you can be and the best employment experience you can deliver should get you the right sort of enquiries.

Have you got your advert you can share for feedback?

Have you considered a younger less experienced candidate but one who may still be talented? This will cost you less but you'll have to take on some additional risk. Have you linked up with any unis or colleges to let them know you're looking to hire their best student on graduation?

Good luck!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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which stack ?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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He's exactly what I am looking for!

DSLiverpool

Original Poster:

14,742 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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It's really not money as we haven't got that far with anyone, also it's quite interesting stuff as were mainly in fashion, beauty and sports clothing all by accident so it's not all legal, medical enquiry farm stuff.
When we recruited for social media we went to liverpool uni to get details of the grads and recruited a great person.
Yesterday we were all pretty low with it but today we've been more pragmatic and possibly a good project manager would free up the rest of the talent pool.
Doing other people's ecommerce isn't like doing ecommerce yourself it's harder but far more interesting.

jammy-git

29,778 posts

212 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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desolate said:
He's exactly what I am looking for!
He's exactly what a lot of people are looking for. Not just the skillset but someone with the get-up-and-go to self start out of college/school and get on with his own projects in his own time.

If I could find someone who just has done the latter then I would have no problem training them up for the skillset!

DSLiverpool

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14,742 posts

202 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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jammy-git said:
He's exactly what a lot of people are looking for. Not just the skillset but someone with the get-up-and-go to self start out of college/school and get on with his own projects in his own time.

If I could find someone who just has done the latter then I would have no problem training them up for the skillset!
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Must be great having kids that achieve - I'm struggling with getting my lad off training wheels !

insurance_jon

4,055 posts

246 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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I'm a director at isource IT recruitment, cam do mates rates if it helps

strain

419 posts

101 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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I'm a front end UX dev based Liverpool working on the Wirral, realistically 30 wont buy much, you will get basic framework front end guys from 25+ from junior/mid level backgrounds but if you want somebody good expect 35k+, I know I wouldn't even consider a new company/ startup due to previous history with them, so you need to make it worthwhile for them.


anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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I'd be happy with a college leaver with an aptitude and half a desire to give it a go, stay a year or so, get some training with a view to gaining some experience before contracting.

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Your current freelancer sounds cheap to me at £200 a day!

You will most likely need to suck it up and use a good agency though.

DSLiverpool

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14,742 posts

202 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Well after looking at all options we decided to persevere with freelance Devs and get in a project manager to keep them all in check.
This agency lark isn't like flogging phones! I'll do a starting again update when our next milestone (millstone) kicks in but through the powers of PH Velstar might arrive in the USA ahead of schedule. (It was never scheduled but our shopify manager said there are very few decent small ecommerce agencies Stateside so we sort of mentally pencilled it in)