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The Spruce goose said:
Along with the las vegas shooting what motivates intelligent respectable people to become depraved humans, it is just so crazy.
Mental health issues. We're far from real recognition of the true extent of people (Especially young men) with mental health problems. All too often we're told to 'man up'... do that to someone from an early age with serious underlying issues that can grow considerably over time to reach this type of gruesome ending. Generally coupled with various levels of abuse in their early lives etc... Very often people end up killing themselves rather than others, but the end result still follows years and years of unidentified and undertreated mental health issues that manifest at an early age (Through a variety of reasons, including abuse) and grow. Very often the person can lead a 'normal' life on the outside, hold down a job, pay the bills, have relationships... but inside they are someone very different.
The US is a terrible place to have mental health issues, especially if you are poor and can't afford any treatment.
ReaperCushions said:
The Spruce goose said:
Along with the las vegas shooting what motivates intelligent respectable people to become depraved humans, it is just so crazy.
Mental health issues. We're far from real recognition of the true extent of people (Especially young men) with mental health problems. All too often we're told to 'man up'... do that to someone from an early age with serious underlying issues that can grow considerably over time to reach this type of gruesome ending. Generally coupled with various levels of abuse in their early lives etc... Very often people end up killing themselves rather than others, but the end result still follows years and years of unidentified and undertreated mental health issues that manifest at an early age (Through a variety of reasons, including abuse) and grow. Very often the person can lead a 'normal' life on the outside, hold down a job, pay the bills, have relationships... but inside they are someone very different.
The US is a terrible place to have mental health issues, especially if you are poor and can't afford any treatment.
The Las Vegas shooter was almost certainly a psychopath like his father and I've watch a very good video on youtube that call out his brother as one based on speech patterns.
ReaperCushions said:
The Spruce goose said:
Along with the las vegas shooting what motivates intelligent respectable people to become depraved humans, it is just so crazy.
Mental health issues. We're far from real recognition of the true extent of people (Especially young men) with mental health problems. All too often we're told to 'man up'... do that to someone from an early age with serious underlying issues that can grow considerably over time to reach this type of gruesome ending. Generally coupled with various levels of abuse in their early lives etc... Very often people end up killing themselves rather than others, but the end result still follows years and years of unidentified and undertreated mental health issues that manifest at an early age (Through a variety of reasons, including abuse) and grow. Very often the person can lead a 'normal' life on the outside, hold down a job, pay the bills, have relationships... but inside they are someone very different.
The US is a terrible place to have mental health issues, especially if you are poor and can't afford any treatment.
In 2014, 6,122 people took their own life in the UK, that's 17 people every single day.
For comparison, just 1,775 people were killed in traffic accidents, less than a 1/3 of the people who deliberately killed themselves.
Even when you have household names, such as Stephen Fry and Chris Packham openly admitting they've tried to kill themselves and world famous celebrities like Robin Williams succeeding, the actual problem of suicides barely gets a mention.
Edited by youngsyr on Monday 30th October 21:55
Slightly OT but in reply to youngsyr
On Boxing day we had this rather tragic tale unfold near me.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/missing-sophie-smith-g...
Next week this.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/great-yarmouth-helicop...
May be totally un realated but I doubt it. You also get reports of people being struck by trains but suicide is never mentioned. I was shocked reading a while ago that one of the main reasons tube drivers quit the job is because of the number of "jumpers" that happen, something like one a week! but again not publicised
Very difficult to know if more reporting/awareness would be a good thing or not. But dreadful for those left to deal with the consequences, the young lady's body has still not been found.
Sorry for the Hijack.
youngsyr said:
It's always surprised me just how many people kill themselves each year in the UK and just how little we talk about it.
In 2014, 6,122 people took their own life in the UK, that's 17 people every single day.
For comparison, just 1,775 people were killed in traffic accidents, less than a 1/3 of the people who deliberately killed themselves.
Even when you have household names, such as Stephen Fry and Chris Packham openly admitting they've tried to kill themselves and world famous celebrities like Robin Williams succeeding, the actual problem of suicides barely gets a mention.
I think suicides don't get reported because they tend to inspire those considering it.In 2014, 6,122 people took their own life in the UK, that's 17 people every single day.
For comparison, just 1,775 people were killed in traffic accidents, less than a 1/3 of the people who deliberately killed themselves.
Even when you have household names, such as Stephen Fry and Chris Packham openly admitting they've tried to kill themselves and world famous celebrities like Robin Williams succeeding, the actual problem of suicides barely gets a mention.
On Boxing day we had this rather tragic tale unfold near me.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/missing-sophie-smith-g...
Next week this.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/great-yarmouth-helicop...
May be totally un realated but I doubt it. You also get reports of people being struck by trains but suicide is never mentioned. I was shocked reading a while ago that one of the main reasons tube drivers quit the job is because of the number of "jumpers" that happen, something like one a week! but again not publicised
Very difficult to know if more reporting/awareness would be a good thing or not. But dreadful for those left to deal with the consequences, the young lady's body has still not been found.
Sorry for the Hijack.
Some pretty disturbing claims from the prosecutors – https://news.sky.com/story/peter-madsen-tortured-k...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43325462
Changed his story again.
Asked why he had changed his story several times, Mr Madsen said that he had "wanted to spare her family" the "gruesome details."
Yeh perfectly normal to dismember and mutilate a recent departed person.
Changed his story again.
Asked why he had changed his story several times, Mr Madsen said that he had "wanted to spare her family" the "gruesome details."
Yeh perfectly normal to dismember and mutilate a recent departed person.
RB Will said:
NDA said:
He is putting the family through torture. They need to know what happened, he is denying them that. b
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Not sure they needed the details that have come out. d.You're right. But it is strange when you lose someone you love in such a way, you somehow crave the detail. It's a bit hard to explain and I don't think I can explain. It's not ghoulish, it's about loving them and needing to know. And when you do know, you wished you didn't.
This probably makes no sense, they are contradictory emotions.
NDA said:
RB Will said:
NDA said:
He is putting the family through torture. They need to know what happened, he is denying them that. bd.
Not sure they needed the details that have come out. d.You're right. But it is strange when you lose someone you love in such a way, you somehow crave the detail. It's a bit hard to explain and I don't think I can explain. It's not ghoulish, it's about loving them and needing to know. And when you do know, you wished you didn't.
This probably makes no sense, they are contradictory emotions.
Same reason we visit graves and places where loved ones died - we hope that being physically closer to where they were will bring us emotionally closer to them.
youngsyr said:
I agree and I think it's to do with wanting to share a loved one's experience in order to feel closer to them in their time of desperation.
Yes, that makes sense.I recall watching a program about 9/11 and seeing awful footage of people jumping from the building... but I didn't want to turn away, I didn't want to abandon them. It was so upsetting, but it felt a betrayal to turn it off.
Maybe I am just too soppy as I've got older.
NDA said:
youngsyr said:
I agree and I think it's to do with wanting to share a loved one's experience in order to feel closer to them in their time of desperation.
Yes, that makes sense.I recall watching a program about 9/11 and seeing awful footage of people jumping from the building... but I didn't want to turn away, I didn't want to abandon them. It was so upsetting, but it felt a betrayal to turn it off.
Maybe I am just too soppy as I've got older.
I guess if at least I'm aware of what they went through all this time later, at least there is some good that came out of it.
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