Cyclist likely to be convicted of manslaughter..
Discussion
J4CKO said:
I personally dont like the implication from some I have spoken to that its "one of my lot", I have no connection with him other than I own and sometimes ride a bicycle.
I think the main thing is the guy is an arse and has behaved badly in relation to the accident, but also there seems to be almost a gleeful response from the anti cycling lobby, this ladies death is almost capital to be exploited to further the cause. You need to separate your dislike of cyclists and cycling when pondering this case, you could have a situation where someone steps out and the cyclist dies.
This could happen with any vehicle if you step out in front, people make mistakes, this has happened to me, a lady outside our local stepped back off the kerb as I think she was a bit drunk, I avoided her, but only just, would that have been my fault, I had working brakes but I only just managed to apply them once past her, well as well as road bikes work in the wet, I was well within the speed limit but still moving fairly quickly, 250 pounds of me and bike at 15 to 20 mph.
Some might argue that when you saw someone standing just on the kerb you ought to slow down, just like if you drive down a narrow street with cars on both sides even if it's a 30 zone you're probably smarter to do 10 in case a child runs out.I think the main thing is the guy is an arse and has behaved badly in relation to the accident, but also there seems to be almost a gleeful response from the anti cycling lobby, this ladies death is almost capital to be exploited to further the cause. You need to separate your dislike of cyclists and cycling when pondering this case, you could have a situation where someone steps out and the cyclist dies.
This could happen with any vehicle if you step out in front, people make mistakes, this has happened to me, a lady outside our local stepped back off the kerb as I think she was a bit drunk, I avoided her, but only just, would that have been my fault, I had working brakes but I only just managed to apply them once past her, well as well as road bikes work in the wet, I was well within the speed limit but still moving fairly quickly, 250 pounds of me and bike at 15 to 20 mph.
A road like this, for instance: https://goo.gl/maps/xmLQq2PxUB82
Edited by Hoofy on Wednesday 20th September 17:58
Mr2Mike said:
Ali G said:
Restrained from riding a 'not fit for pupose' bicycle on public highways.
You'll need to explain this, I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you proposing the formation of an elite squad of bicycle front brake police?
Finlandia said:
By making it very costly to be caught using a bike without brakes?
I think London has far more important stuff to deal with. Like 5,000 people hurt and killed in 2016 from motor vehicle hit and runs. How about making the dooring of cyclists more costly? It's caused far more problems than bikes without front brakes, and if you kill someone by doing it you'll have little to worry about.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/motorist-who...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
heebeegeetee said:
It was the jury who found him not guilty - shocking really given his windows were illegal.Finlandia said:
I didn't expect you to agree.
I don't disagree, but surely it's sheer common sense to deal with more important matters? London has a bazillion problems to deal with, Grenfell Tower, terrorism, lack of housing, air quality killing thousands, massive massive problems. Are you seriously suggesting time and money should be spent on problem that no-one's heard of before?I'd suggest that introducing laws or changing laws (bearing in mind the law has worked and he's gone to prison) will achieve possibly nothing at all for the money spent.
Meanwhile: "Cyclists being killed or seriously injured by drivers opening their car doors is remarkably common, yet it has received very little attention from the police or the mayor," she said.
"The Met Police and the mayor need to urgently launch a major awareness campaign and make clear that car dooring will be automatically prosecuted."
"Police inaction over cycling accidents is a danger to us all" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/recreational...
powerstroke said:
High time we banned wearing lycra while cycling in public ,unless its being worn during a competitve event ...
You don't have to fap off when you see them while driving, just search for "fat cyclist in lycra" when you get home, for added realism you can sit in your car and stick your laptop on the bonnet.
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
Then what's the problem? I think it's a good idea to have a certain safety standard on the vehicles using our roads, and you say you agree.
We already have a certain safety standard on the vehicles using our roads.heebeegeetee said:
I think London has far more important stuff to deal with. Like 5,000 people hurt and killed in 2016 from motor vehicle hit and runs.
How about making the dooring of cyclists more costly? It's caused far more problems than bikes without front brakes, and if you kill someone by doing it you'll have little to worry about.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/motorist-who...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
So you are saying we should ignore an appalling act/crime?How about making the dooring of cyclists more costly? It's caused far more problems than bikes without front brakes, and if you kill someone by doing it you'll have little to worry about.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/motorist-who...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...
The evidence was there, the offender showed no remorse. Justice has been done.
powerstroke said:
High time we banned wearing lycra while cycling in public ,unless its being worn during a competitve event ...
There's two sides to every story, and always a reason to challenge an opinion...
...because sometimes Lycra is far more preferable than some of the possible alternatives...
Naked bike ride, anyone?
I'd far rather the banning of "sportswear" unless participating in physical exercise, and the wearing of trainers instead of 'proper' shoes at work and at social events. And bring back furled umbrellas, Mackintoshes, and hats for gentlemen whatever their occupation or social status. Or perhaps stop making such stupid suggestions?
Sa Calobra said:
Justice has been done.
Exactly, what's the problem? The dead woman is one of 1500 every year. This woman sadly did contribute to her own demise by not ceding priority as she should, but a great many of the 1500 are genuinely innocent. However possibly none of these generate the same concern as this case. Would anyone care to suggest why?
Not even the 8 dead on the M1 has generated as much comment.
The numerous hgv collisions in London, with lack of visibility from the vehicles being a major - numerous people on ph continue to argue that they must be used because the safer alternatives might cost some money.
Look at the flack BRAKE get on this forum , with every suggestion for road safety they make. This is the forum on which the suggestion was made that the brake pipes of the founder should be cut, remember?
Guys, spare me your crocodile tears, stop pretending you care. This is all about attacking cycling, and desperately trying to suggest that this t
t on his fixie is representative of anything beyond himself. Tens of thousands of people are hurt and killed every year by motorised vehicles. If the issue of bad drivers got as much publicity and was dealt with as strenuously, we would all be much safer. None of us are going to be killed by a bicycle with a missing front brake.
Hoofy said:
Some might argue that when you saw someone standing just on the kerb you ought to slow down, just like if you drive down a narrow street with cars on both sides even if it's a 30 zone you're probably smarter to do 10 in case a child runs out.
A road like this, for instance: https://goo.gl/maps/xmLQq2PxUB82
this is a good habit of driving safely, I do it on my motorbike, do it on my car, and i do ride bike for recreation and exercise tooA road like this, for instance: https://goo.gl/maps/xmLQq2PxUB82
Edited by Hoofy on Wednesday 20th September 17:58
there are no absolution how slow we should do in a road like that, but i see alot of ppl taking speed limit as speed indication, they though they have to drive at the speed limit. I would 100% not do 30 in that road
people always seem to forget when driving a car/ riding a bike, we are the one who hold responsible for doing our best to avoid accident, as we are controlling a machine that could seriously injury other road user. It is not cyclist exclusive but so as motorbike and car drivers
the responsibilities were never equal, driving a car would have more responsible than riding a bicycle, riding a bike would have more responsible than a pedestrian, a lorry driver/bus driver would require more caution than driving a small family car, as the size/weight/power go higher, we are more capable of doing greater damage to others
and this news, yeah i agree some people have unexplained hatred toward cyclist, just like some people hate (motor)biker, but I believe the huge response of this news are more to do with the defendant attitude
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