45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[Carl_Manchester]

Robertj21a said:

Eric Mc said:

America has become more polarised over recent years. Trump is as much a symptom as a cause - but he is certainly not helping. Instead of trying to bring the nation together - as a good President should - he seems to be revelling in ensuring it tears itself apart.

He is a destructive, corrosive, mean minded, nasty piece of work.

I don't care whether Obama played a part in creating these problems. What needs to happen now is for the nation to be brought together - not pushed further down the road to divisiveness.

A great shame we can't get Obama back as POTUS, at least there wouldn't be the divisiveness that is so prevalent nowadays. We would also enjoy some quality speeches, full of meaning, rather than stupid childish antics on Twitter. It's incredible how quickly Trump has managed to wreck so much that was good/improving about the USA but equally incredible that he still seems to have the support of so many.

Obama is a great man and a great president but he did zero to reverse the cycle of poverty and violence in black communities. In fact it got even worse during the Obama years.

They may hate trump but they need to play the ball and not the man on this one, the economic policies he campaigned on are the only solution out of this.

[babatunde]

southendpier said:

The country oppresses black people?

Colin Kaepernick speaks for all black people?

What people are getting away with murder?

The country oppresses black people? True, the mildest manifestation of it DWB is an actual thing

Colin Kaepernick speaks for all black people? Don't be obtuse, nobody even he doesn't claim that

What people are getting away with murder? White people in Police Uniforms, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Cra... is a pretty good example

Edited by babatunde on Tuesday 26th September 17:57

[Not-The-Messiah]

Greg66 said:

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

The elephant in the room is that almost 6000 were killed by other blacks. If you are a black guy there is a 91% chance that its going to be another black guy that kills you. Don't see them taking a knee for that.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
Note the article first statement is incorrect, it says black men commit almost half the homicides but only make up 12-13% of the population. 12-13% is the entire black population if it was black men it would be only 6-7%.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Tuesday 26th September 18:30

[p1stonhead]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Greg66 said:

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

The elephant in the room is that almost 6000 were killed by other blacks. If you are a black guy its 91% chance that its going to be another black guy that kills you. Don't see them taking a knee for that.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
Note the article first statement is incorrect, it says black men commit almost half the homicides but only make up 12-13% of the population. 12-13% is the entire black population if it was black men it would be only 6-7%.

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

Oh right that’s fine then they should tell people!

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Greg66 said:

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

The elephant in the room is that almost 6000 were killed by other blacks. If you are a black guy its 91% chance that its going to be another black guy that kills you. Don't see them taking a knee for that.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
Note the article first statement is incorrect, it says black men commit almost half the homicides but only make up 12-13% of the population. 12-13% is the entire black population if it was black men it would be only 6-7%.

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

Oh right that’s fine then they should tell people!

Of that 6000 / 91% how many were police officers who had sworn to protect and serve?

Maybe that's why the focus is on police 'brutality' / 'overreaction'.

[p1stonhead]

Trexthedinosaur said:

p1stonhead said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Greg66 said:

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

The elephant in the room is that almost 6000 were killed by other blacks. If you are a black guy its 91% chance that its going to be another black guy that kills you. Don't see them taking a knee for that.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
Note the article first statement is incorrect, it says black men commit almost half the homicides but only make up 12-13% of the population. 12-13% is the entire black population if it was black men it would be only 6-7%.

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

Oh right that’s fine then they should tell people!

Of that 6000 / 91% how many were police officers who had sworn to protect and serve?

Maybe that's why the focus is on police 'brutality' / 'overreaction'.

Another ludicrous argument for ‘hey don’t care about that silly stuff have a look over here at this instead!’

[Not-The-Messiah]

Trexthedinosaur said:

Of that 6000 / 91% how many were police officers who had sworn to protect and serve?

Maybe that's why the focus is on police 'brutality' / 'overreaction'.

The evidence is quite clear that black people are more involved with the police because they are more likely to be involved in crime.

If these talented young men in the NFL wanted to help their community's they would stand up and say. "If you want to get on and do well, do what I've done work hard go to college stay out of trouble". And perhaps invest in things like young community support projects within them communitys.

But no what they do is tell everyone the police are the bad guys and its not your fault you fail. They vilify the police and sow seeds of mistrust which will and as lead to more dead black people.

[rscott]

p1stonhead said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

Greg66 said:

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

The elephant in the room is that almost 6000 were killed by other blacks. If you are a black guy its 91% chance that its going to be another black guy that kills you. Don't see them taking a knee for that.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-...
Note the article first statement is incorrect, it says black men commit almost half the homicides but only make up 12-13% of the population. 12-13% is the entire black population if it was black men it would be only 6-7%.

In 2015 258 blacks were killed by police most of which would have been justified shootings and the ones that were not will have been investigated within law system.

Oh right that’s fine then they should tell people!

This year, it's 326 white and 165 black (so far). Yet the us is 13% black and 70% white. Very disproportionate figures.

[unrepentant]

So after 7 years of promising to repeal the ACA "on day one" the republicans fail yet again to get a bill through the republican senate. Sad!

[Countdown]

Carl_Manchester said:

Obama is a great man and a great president but he did zero to reverse the cycle of poverty and violence in black communities. In fact it got even worse during the Obama years.

They may hate trump but they need to play the ball and not the man on this one, the economic policies he campaigned on are the only solution out of this.

Which policies do you think will improve the life of the average American? Giving the top 1% millions in tax rebates?

[anonymous-user]

Not-The-Messiah said:

The evidence is quite clear that black people are more involved with the police because they are more likely to be involved in crime.

If these talented young men in the NFL wanted to help their community's they would stand up and say. "If you want to get on and do well, do what I've done work hard go to college stay out of trouble". And perhaps invest in things like young community support projects within them communitys.

But no what they do is tell everyone the police are the bad guys and its not your fault you fail. They vilify the police and sow seeds of mistrust which will and as lead to more dead black people.

Cant they do both? Support in the community seems to be what they have always done in the past and still do. The message of sorting your own life out has always been the message that came out of USA sports programs. The same applies to military service where that is often used to get young people out of their poverty, using their military service to provide their route to further education and a stable work environment.

[anonymous-user]

Well said.

[anonymous-user]

Not-The-Messiah said:

The evidence is quite clear that black people are more involved with the police because they are more likely to be involved in crime.

Surely NSF must be a troll. That sort of thing is too perfect, even by NPE standards. Has he actually said "I'm not a racist, but ...." yet?

[Beati Dogu]

Yes that was clearly a hate-fact.

[Gandahar]

Not had chance to check up on Donald today but I guess I will have something to read.

He has been a Godsend to both the mainstream media and ALT other media..... which is ironic

This is slightly worrying though

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/25/villanu...

How many comments? The ones before that were also 30k... US is so insular

[Carl_Manchester]

Countdown said:

Which policies do you think will improve the life of the average American? Giving the top 1% millions in tax rebates?

I gave my opinion (in verbose) a couple of pages back. Eliminate the poverty in the ghettos of Chicago and St. Louis, you eliminate the need for people to be so involved in crime, you start to eliminate the black-on-black violence and you start to eliminate the need for the police to be armed like the military. To eliminate the ghettos you must reverse what created the poverty in the first place, the globalisation of the textile industry and other factory based jobs that went from the likes of New York to China, Mexico and India etc.

Nike, the company that moved jobs from the USA to foreign sweatshops to be made by 10 year old children for 60 cents per hour are then worn and promoted by multi-millionaire black sport-stars. The irony is thick on this one, so I will also point out that Obama, instead of pitching a new deal for bringing Nike back to the USA, instead, simply visits the factory and gives a speech about free trade - awesome for shareholders, not so awesome for the USA - http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/ob...

I think on the issues that Trump campaigned on specifically in this area, him and Bannon absolutely nailed the relationship between working class poverty and American jobs being sent overseas and yet here we are:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nike-becomes-first-...

Like I said previously, I find it curious, considering Nike's historic use of child labour and exploitation over American black workers, that multi-millionaire black NFL players, sponsored by Nike and Nike corporate are positioning themselves against the one administration who wants to reverse parts of globalisation and bring jobs back to benefit the people most affected, at the detriment to Nike profits.

[Gandahar]

Carl_Manchester said:

Countdown said:

Which policies do you think will improve the life of the average American? Giving the top 1% millions in tax rebates?

I gave my opinion (in verbose) a couple of pages back. Eliminate the poverty in the ghettos of Chicago and St. Louis, you eliminate the need for people to be so involved in crime, you start to eliminate the black-on-black violence and you start to eliminate the need for the police to be armed like the military. To eliminate the ghettos you must reverse what created the poverty in the first place, the globalisation of the textile industry and other factory based jobs that went from the likes of New York to China, Mexico and India etc.

Nike, the company that moved jobs from the USA to foreign sweatshops to be made by 10 year old children for 60 cents per hour are then worn and promoted by multi-millionaire black sport-stars. The irony is thick on this one, so I will also point out that Obama, instead of pitching a new deal for bringing Nike back to the USA, instead, simply visits the factory and gives a speech about free trade - awesome for shareholders, not so awesome for the USA - http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/ob...

I think on the issues that Trump campaigned on specifically in this area, him and Bannon absolutely nailed the relationship between working class poverty and American jobs being sent overseas and yet here we are:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nike-becomes-first-...

Like I said previously, I find it curious, considering Nike's historic use of child labour and exploitation over American black workers, that multi-millionaire black NFL players, sponsored by Nike and Nike corporate are positioning themselves against the one administration who wants to reverse parts of globalisation and bring jobs back to benefit the people most affected, at the detriment to Nike profits.

As you are called Manchester and wrote "the globalisation of the textile industry and other factory based jobs that went from the likes of."

I'll finish it for you

...the cotton mills of Lancashire 100 years back to other places.

How can we get our Lancashire jobs back in the mills? Does Donald think globalisation is new and only affects the USA?

[p1stonhead]

Gandahar said:

Carl_Manchester said:

Countdown said:

Which policies do you think will improve the life of the average American? Giving the top 1% millions in tax rebates?

I gave my opinion (in verbose) a couple of pages back. Eliminate the poverty in the ghettos of Chicago and St. Louis, you eliminate the need for people to be so involved in crime, you start to eliminate the black-on-black violence and you start to eliminate the need for the police to be armed like the military. To eliminate the ghettos you must reverse what created the poverty in the first place, the globalisation of the textile industry and other factory based jobs that went from the likes of New York to China, Mexico and India etc.

Nike, the company that moved jobs from the USA to foreign sweatshops to be made by 10 year old children for 60 cents per hour are then worn and promoted by multi-millionaire black sport-stars. The irony is thick on this one, so I will also point out that Obama, instead of pitching a new deal for bringing Nike back to the USA, instead, simply visits the factory and gives a speech about free trade - awesome for shareholders, not so awesome for the USA - http://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/ob...

I think on the issues that Trump campaigned on specifically in this area, him and Bannon absolutely nailed the relationship between working class poverty and American jobs being sent overseas and yet here we are:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nike-becomes-first-...

Like I said previously, I find it curious, considering Nike's historic use of child labour and exploitation over American black workers, that multi-millionaire black NFL players, sponsored by Nike and Nike corporate are positioning themselves against the one administration who wants to reverse parts of globalisation and bring jobs back to benefit the people most affected, at the detriment to Nike profits.

As you are called Manchester and wrote "the globalisation of the textile industry and other factory based jobs that went from the likes of."

I'll finish it for you

...the cotton mills of Lancashire 100 years back.

How can we get our Lancashire jobs back in the mills? Does Donald think globalisation is new and only affects the USA?

Try not to question Trump he’s too powerful.

[jmorgan]

Any road, health care stumbles again. Still not enough votes.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/obamacare...

Next week perhaps.

[Efbe]

Gandahar said:

Not had chance to check up on Donald today but I guess I will have something to read.

He has been a Godsend to both the mainstream media and ALT other media..... which is ironic

This is slightly worrying though

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/25/villanu...

How many comments? The ones before that were also 30k... US is so insular

have you read the comments, most seem to be calling it a conspiracy.

he's obviously been threatened :P