45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

[AW111]

I am interested in the tweeting pattern. Several days of banality, then a flurry of Trumpisms. Repeat.

I have a mental image of his staff seeing the morning news - "oh god he's got another phone - someone go take it off him". Then a few days later Don gets another phone smuggled in...

[anonymous-user]

Such rich pickings. What to choose?

Not-The-Messiah said:

You have large groups shouting the loudest about issues and let's face fact are minor issues when comparing them to other issues faced by these groups. They constantly ignoring the elephant in the room.

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

[Colonial]

Greg66 said:

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

Affecting non-whites = minor issue.

[anonymous-user]

AW111 said:

I am interested in the tweeting pattern. Several days of banality, then a flurry of Trumpisms. Repeat.

I have a mental image of his staff seeing the morning news - "oh god he's got another phone - someone go take it off him". Then a few days later Don gets another phone smuggled in...

Memoir: "I was Donald Trump's White House Phone Mule" by Clint C Buttcheeks.

[London424]

Colonial said:

Greg66 said:

They are shouting about police brutality towards the the shooting by police of black people. By police. Who are sworn to serve and protect. Not beat and kill.

How is that a "minor issue", and what are the other issues that constitute the "elephant in the room"?

Affecting non-whites = minor issue.

The problem as I see it is that the players have picked the wrong way to protest. Any normal person should agree 100% with the protest over police brutality and the treatment of black people in society...but using the national anthem and the flag was always going to lead to further divisions.

If anyone has spent any amount of time in the US they will know the anthem and the treatment of the flag are taken very very seriously.

Personally they should/could have refused to do press conferences, set up foundations, led protest marches etc etc as these activities are unlikely to have divided opinion in the same way.

[anonymous-user]

They have the opportunity to use a large public stage to make a serious point, and even though these men are now rich and have through sporting ability and the college system escaped the ghetto, many of them came from the ghetto, and many will feel very strongly that there remains a sickness in US society in its treatment of black people.

[babatunde]

southendpier said:

For those that may need a bit of background. This starts from a player Colin Kaepernick who has been refusing to stand for the anthem since August because of Black Lives Matter issues.

his statement from I think August 2016 season:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...

I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.

Edited by southendpier on Tuesday 26th September 09:59

Why would you anyone want to disagree with the truth? A country where the White President calls a black citizen a SOB for a peaceful protest whilst called Nazi's good people... most definitely has problems.

[Colonial]

London424 said:

The problem as I see it is that the players have picked the wrong way to protest. Any normal person should agree 100% with the protest over police brutality and the treatment of black people in society...but using the national anthem and the flag was always going to lead to further divisions.

If anyone has spent any amount of time in the US they will know the anthem and the treatment of the flag are taken very very seriously.

Personally they should/could have refused to do press conferences, set up foundations, led protest marches etc etc as these activities are unlikely to have divided opinion in the same way.

Maybe they should care more about the equality of their citizens than a piece of fabric. Otherwise people might start thinking they are a tinpot, insular country rather than the purported leader of the free world.

[London424]

Breadvan72 said:

They have the opportunity to use a large public stage to make a serious point, and even though these men are now rich and have through sporting ability and the college system escaped the ghetto, many of them came from the ghetto, and many will feel very strongly that there remains a sickness in US society in its treatment of black people.

I'm well aware of that...but the issue that they are rightly protesting is now being ignored (to a degree) in that it is now being seen as a protest against the anthem and the flag.

That has now caused even further divisions in the country.

[Eddie Strohacker]

London424 said:

I'm well aware of that...but the issue that they are rightly protesting is now being ignored (to a degree) in that it is now being seen as a protest against the anthem and the flag.

That has now caused even further divisions in the country.

Being seen by whom? Being ignored by whom? Another one falls into the well oiled, often deployed Trump trap.

[TTwiggy]

London424 said:

I'm well aware of that...but the issue that they are rightly protesting is now being ignored (to a degree) in that it is now being seen as a protest against the anthem and the flag.

That has now caused even further divisions in the country.

Which is an odd thing for the self-proclaimed 'greatest democracy on earth' to get wound up about. As unquestioning allegiance to things like flags and anthems is fascism 101.

[Pauly-b]

unrepentant said:

Nanook said:

southendpier said:

Patriots crowd audibly booed the kneeling players.

Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales

When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.

Villanueva 'stood alone' because he was at the front, and someone else walked behind him, past the rest of the team, with another flag, and the players were "unable to exit" and he said walking back to his team mates would have "looked extremely bad" so he did all he could do and stood there. No-one else in the team was intentionally boycotting the anthem, and the fact that he is apparently leading NFL sales in jerseys is utterly irrelevant here.

I love the hypocrisy of the USA being free. Unless you want to do something that people don't particularly like.

Umm.... the entire Steelers team remained in the locker room during the anthem except Villanueva. He came out and stood in the mouth of the tunnel as he's an ex serviceman. Steelers HC Mike Tomlin made the decision not to participate in the anthem ceremony and announced it to the press in the morning. The Seahawks and the Titans followed suit later in the day.

Nope... Nanook is correct.. team was in the tunnel throughout.. Al was supposed to join Ben and Heywood the team Captains but got separated...

[London424]

Eddie Strohacker said:

London424 said:

I'm well aware of that...but the issue that they are rightly protesting is now being ignored (to a degree) in that it is now being seen as a protest against the anthem and the flag.

That has now caused even further divisions in the country.

Being seen by whom? Being ignored by whom? Another one falls into the well oiled, often deployed Trump trap.

I read/listen to a lot of sports media in the US...and the focus is pretty much all on the anthem and how it is being interpreted. You've even got sports being being pitted against each other to create further divisions.

Who has fallen into a trap? I couldn't give a st about Trump, I'm just telling you my views as someone who lived there and played sports for 4 years, still has lots of friends there (was there last week) and still listens/watches a lot of US sport.

Edited by London424 on Tuesday 26th September 15:07

[berlintaxi]

Pauly-b said:

unrepentant said:

Nanook said:

southendpier said:

Patriots crowd audibly booed the kneeling players.

Steelers' Alejandro Villanueva, who stood alone for the national anthem, leads the NFL in jersey sales

When 'solidarity' comes from protesting your own anthem, then something has gone wrong.

Villanueva 'stood alone' because he was at the front, and someone else walked behind him, past the rest of the team, with another flag, and the players were "unable to exit" and he said walking back to his team mates would have "looked extremely bad" so he did all he could do and stood there. No-one else in the team was intentionally boycotting the anthem, and the fact that he is apparently leading NFL sales in jerseys is utterly irrelevant here.

I love the hypocrisy of the USA being free. Unless you want to do something that people don't particularly like.

Umm.... the entire Steelers team remained in the locker room during the anthem except Villanueva. He came out and stood in the mouth of the tunnel as he's an ex serviceman. Steelers HC Mike Tomlin made the decision not to participate in the anthem ceremony and announced it to the press in the morning. The Seahawks and the Titans followed suit later in the day.

Nope... Nanook is correct.. team was in the tunnel throughout.. Al was supposed to join Ben and Heywood the team Captains but got separated...

From the horse's mouth...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4919316/Al...

Guess there'll be a few people wanting to return jerseys.

[Shakermaker]

berlintaxi said:

From the horse's mouth...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4919316/Al...

Guess there'll be a few people wanting to return jerseys.

"A picture paints a thousand words" has been a common saying for many years.. but that is meant to say that you know what the picture is of before you write those thousand words rather than just a thousand words you can think of.

[anonymous-user]

TTwiggy said:

London424 said:

I'm well aware of that...but the issue that they are rightly protesting is now being ignored (to a degree) in that it is now being seen as a protest against the anthem and the flag.

That has now caused even further divisions in the country.

Which is an odd thing for the self-proclaimed 'greatest democracy on earth' to get wound up about. As unquestioning allegiance to things like flags and anthems is fascism 101.

Fascism (not always called that) has been threatening America ever since the post Civil War period, was stalking around in the pre Pearl Harbour phase of WW2, and in the McCarthy era, and arguably is again now.

[Eddie Strohacker]

London424 said:

to create further divisions.

Sorry, that read as a dig at you, I did not mean it that way. I've cut your answer down to the salient part for me - it's not about the flag or the anthem or respect or anything else. It's about Trump setting his own people against one another, that's what I meant when I said the Trump trap.

[mikal83]

Dear Puerto Rico

fk you, you're on your own.

Love

Donald t

[Robertj21a]

Eric Mc said:

America has become more polarised over recent years. Trump is as much a symptom as a cause - but he is certainly not helping. Instead of trying to bring the nation together - as a good President should - he seems to be revelling in ensuring it tears itself apart.

He is a destructive, corrosive, mean minded, nasty piece of work.

I don't care whether Obama played a part in creating these problems. What needs to happen now is for the nation to be brought together - not pushed further down the road to divisiveness.

A great shame we can't get Obama back as POTUS, at least there wouldn't be the divisiveness that is so prevalent nowadays. We would also enjoy some quality speeches, full of meaning, rather than stupid childish antics on Twitter. It's incredible how quickly Trump has managed to wreck so much that was good/improving about the USA but equally incredible that he still seems to have the support of so many.

[southendpier]

babatunde said:

southendpier said:

For those that may need a bit of background. This starts from a player Colin Kaepernick who has been refusing to stand for the anthem since August because of Black Lives Matter issues.

his statement from I think August 2016 season:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/art...

I think many (most) people would disagree and want him to clarify those points.

Edited by southendpier on Tuesday 26th September 09:59

Why would you anyone want to disagree with the truth? A country where the White President calls a black citizen a SOB for a peaceful protest whilst called Nazi's good people... most definitely has problems.

The country oppresses black people?

Colin Kaepernick speaks for all black people?

What people are getting away with murder?