45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. Vol 3

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Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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968 said:
Yeah, you’re so cool and all. If only we could all be like you.
Im not cool,I don't own sandals though.
Funny enough I meet quite a few people daily and I don't think I've ever met anyone who's concerned about Trump,climate change or even diesel fumes.
It seems forums are a meeting place for worriers.

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Im not cool,I don't own sandals though.
Funny enough I meet quite a few people daily and I don't think I've ever met anyone who's concerned about Trump,climate change or even diesel fumes.
It seems forums are a meeting place for worriers.
I expect they steer you away from those topics in the hospice.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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schmunk said:
I expect they steer you away from those topics in the hospice.
The wifis good here though.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Tuesday 19th December 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
The wifis good here though.
hehe

BT infinity, FTTP?

schmunk

4,399 posts

125 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Halb said:
Funkycoldribena said:
The wifis good here though.
hehe

BT infinity, FTTP?
FunkyTalksTotalPish...?

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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schmunk said:
FunkyTalksTotalPish...?
Just over 2 hours to come up with that?

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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So back to Russia, why is the donalds lawyers telling him he'll be exonerated by Christmas and it'll all be over?
Mueller has said this will go on through 2018, so there will be no exoneration letter for Trump this week. Instead, he'll soon learn that he's the main target (they've got enough on Trump Jr and Kushner) and will continue to be for most of 2018, which prompts the question, why are the lawyers saying this. Don't want to have him rant? Want to take his money as long as possible?

Because his attorneys haven't set him up to accept this truth, he'll go ballistic and fire Rosenstein? Is this how we find out whats in those sealed indictments? There's enough evidence to charge Kushner and Trump Jr, but with Mueller now persuing Trumps tax returns, bank records and Maxine Walters also pushing to connect the dots between Deutsche Banks money laundering and the numerous large loans to the trump family, theres a lot more to come.

https://www.thenation.com/article/maxine-waters-co...

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Why did the republicans rush through a tax bill that few of them have had a chance to fully read through and understand.
Why before Christmas? Do they think somethings going to change before they get back from holiday?

Many polls have said this is unpopular with the voters, that they all believe they will be worse off and the fat cats and companies will be the only winners, so thats the 2018 mid terms to worry about. Have they sacrificed votes to keep their large donors happy?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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How are the Russia sanctions going?

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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jmorgan said:
How are the Russia sanctions going?
Would you believe they haven't been actioned yet?
They were supposed to produce a new list of extra people, but have a new deadline of 29th Jan for this.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/14/politics/trump-r...


They are even ignoring proposed sanctions, flaunting the US inactivity
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-...

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Never! I am shocked!

JagLover

42,398 posts

235 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Byker28i said:
Many polls have said this is unpopular with the voters, that they all believe they will be worse off and the fat cats and companies will be the only winners, so thats the 2018 mid terms to worry about. Have they sacrificed votes to keep their large donors happy?
Bit more to it than that, though that is how it will be portrayed no doubt.

The US CT rate had become uncompetitive from an international perspective. Also the fact that overseas earnings were taxed on a remittance basis meant they often weren't remitted.

This resulted in under investment by US companies in the US.

Following the change it is now 21%, which is still 2 points higher than our own rate.

They are now well placed to claim credit for any economic upturn and can also say to their core vote that they have achieved something, which they couldn't before.

mygoldfishbowl

3,701 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Gameface said:
So all those melting icebergs and bleached coral reefs are make believe?

Wow!
Depends on who you wanna believe.

https://cairnsnews.org/2017/12/17/dive-boat-operat...

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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jmorgan said:
Never! I am shocked!
Well they had a deadline of 1st October but that was missed as Rex Tillerson had eliminated the office that oversees sanctions and moved all that work to the deputy director in his policy planning bureau. I think they delivered most of it at the end of October. The next deadline is end of January when they have to name the businesses and enterprises from various countries that have continued to do business with the current banned Russian entities and which will face sanctions as a result.

Only it's claimed the delays means that other companies are being setup to take over which of course won't be on the named list...

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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JagLover said:
Byker28i said:
Many polls have said this is unpopular with the voters, that they all believe they will be worse off and the fat cats and companies will be the only winners, so thats the 2018 mid terms to worry about. Have they sacrificed votes to keep their large donors happy?
Bit more to it than that, though that is how it will be portrayed no doubt.

The US CT rate had become uncompetitive from an international perspective. Also the fact that overseas earnings were taxed on a remittance basis meant they often weren't remitted.

This resulted in under investment by US companies in the US.

Following the change it is now 21%, which is still 2 points higher than our own rate.

They are now well placed to claim credit for any economic upturn and can also say to their core vote that they have achieved something, which they couldn't before.
Do you honestly think the trickle down economics works? It hasn't in the past when Reagan tried it, certainly was a failure in Kansas, running up a huge deficit

Halmyre

11,193 posts

139 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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mygoldfishbowl said:
Gameface said:
So all those melting icebergs and bleached coral reefs are make believe?

Wow!
Depends on who you wanna believe.

https://cairnsnews.org/2017/12/17/dive-boat-operat...
'Dive boat operators' - a fine example of unbiased POV. hehe

rscott

14,753 posts

191 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Quite a good tax calculator here - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/17/ups... - showing the potential impact of the new plan.

I see that the personal tax changes expire in 2025, but the corporation tax changes are permanent.

Another comparison here - https://www.npr.org/2017/12/19/571754894/charts-se...

Edited by rscott on Wednesday 20th December 10:17

mygoldfishbowl

3,701 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Halmyre said:
mygoldfishbowl said:
Gameface said:
So all those melting icebergs and bleached coral reefs are make believe?

Wow!
Depends on who you wanna believe.

https://cairnsnews.org/2017/12/17/dive-boat-operat...
'Dive boat operators' - a fine example of unbiased POV. hehe
Yeah people who work in that area all the time as opposed to people that are paid to go there and take a snap shot of what's going on.

As I said, Depends on who you wanna believe.

Byker28i

59,787 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Byker28i said:
jmorgan said:
Never! I am shocked!
Well they had a deadline of 1st October but that was missed as Rex Tillerson had eliminated the office that oversees sanctions and moved all that work to the deputy director in his policy planning bureau. I think they delivered most of it at the end of October. The next deadline is end of January when they have to name the businesses and enterprises from various countries that have continued to do business with the current banned Russian entities and which will face sanctions as a result.

Only it's claimed the delays means that other companies are being setup to take over which of course won't be on the named list...
Seems they can make a list of names when they want. "Yeah criticise us and we'll take a list of your names"

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley warned the international body on Tuesday that the U.S. "will be taking names" when the U.N. General Assembly votes this week on a resolution urging the Trump administration to withdraw its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/365686-hal...

JagLover

42,398 posts

235 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Byker28i said:
Do you honestly think the trickle down economics works? It hasn't in the past when Reagan tried it, certainly was a failure in Kansas, running up a huge deficit
I think "trickle down" economics mainly refers to the effect of reducing personal tax rates.

US CT rates are now uncompetitive internationally. They also have lower rates of private investment than they did in the past and many believe the two factors are connected.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A006RE1Q156NBEA

Because of Trump many commentators are now far more likely to criticize this measure. But I note that the US CT rate is still 2% points higher than our own, after the changes.

Of course the effective tax rate of both regimes will depend on allowances and reliefs.
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