The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 13]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 13]

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Big Al.

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68,798 posts

257 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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700BHP

456 posts

79 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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It's our year etc etc...

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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In our team, the way we play, Mane is our most important player. IMO more important than Coutinho.

Improve his contract and put £150 million buy out clause asap.

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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RedTrident said:
In our team, the way we play, Mane is our most important player. IMO more important than Coutinho.

Improve his contract and put £150 million buy out clause asap.
150m that it? they just put a 700m one on Isco

But I agree, its frightening how good he is, there is no better wide goal scoring forward in the prem

General Price

5,238 posts

182 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Lucky 13.

Chris Stott

13,181 posts

196 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Vol 13... hopefully not a bad omen.

I'd stick a £250M buy out on Mane and give him a nice fat 5 year contract... same for Bobby.

Old Man Fred

821 posts

88 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Why put any release clauses in?

Spain have to have them in their contract but why put one in and risk a neymar situation

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Yeah don't see the point in these clauses. They made sense when nobody could afford them, but everyone's loaded now. At least with no clause you can simply say fk off.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Old Man Fred said:
Why put any release clauses in?

Spain have to have them in their contract but why put one in and risk a neymar situation
It stops the silliness that we currently have with Coutinho. 114 million is really 80 million which is really 15 million a year.

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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hornetrider said:
Yeah don't see the point in these clauses. They made sense when nobody could afford them, but everyone's loaded now. At least with no clause you can simply say fk off.
Yes but with a clause you stop all this VVD and Phil scenario - if it was not a world cup year we would have sold Phil I think - we know he needs to play so keep him - with a clause you simply say look there clause is 300m if you want it pay it, if his agents accepts that they then know at it will take to get him to move....

Edited by m3sye on Thursday 24th August 11:09

Old Man Fred

821 posts

88 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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RedTrident said:
Old Man Fred said:
Why put any release clauses in?

Spain have to have them in their contract but why put one in and risk a neymar situation
It stops the silliness that we currently have with Coutinho. 114 million is really 80 million which is really 15 million a year.
Fair point, i just see it as saying we are a selling club, everyone is available. If we got a bid 1 day before the end of the transfer window there would be not time to find a replacement and we would be left with the same problem Barcelona have in that everyone knows we have cash and so double the price!

Not having a go at you, i just think it is really really bad idea..

Chris Stott

13,181 posts

196 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Old Man Fred said:
Why put any release clauses in?

Spain have to have them in their contract but why put one in and risk a Neymar situation
As a deterrent.

No buy out, and you get in to the protracted, drawn out, PITA situation we have with Coutinho. Stick a big enough buy out and you just hide behind it.

Problem wasn't that Neymar had a buy out. Problem was it wasn't big enough.

Only the few clubs with dodgy financial backing have the wherewithal to shell out that sort of cash.


m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Chris Stott said:
As a deterrent.

No buy out, and you get in to the protracted, drawn out, PITA situation we have with Coutinho. Stick a big enough buy out and you just hide behind it.

Problem wasn't that Neymar had a buy out. Problem was it wasn't big enough.

Only the few clubs with dodgy financial backing have the wherewithal to shell out that sort of cash.
When it was made it was big enough, then things got stupid - Reals 700m euro one with Isco is a deterant

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10983...

Thing is you could have picked up for 40/50m not so long ago frown massive fk up by ALL premiership clubs

Old Man Fred

821 posts

88 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Chris Stott said:
Old Man Fred said:
Why put any release clauses in?

Spain have to have them in their contract but why put one in and risk a Neymar situation
As a deterrent.

No buy out, and you get in to the protracted, drawn out, PITA situation we have with Coutinho. Stick a big enough buy out and you just hide behind it.

Problem wasn't that Neymar had a buy out. Problem was it wasn't big enough.

Only the few clubs with dodgy financial backing have the wherewithal to shell out that sort of cash.
That's not really the case though (my bold) Ronaldo has the highest Buy out in the world, 1 Bn Euros yet there has still been talk the last 2 years of him going to man u.

It's a very fine line, too low and it gets activated a la Neymar, too high and it is irrelevant a la Ronaldo and the speculation continues. IF you get it right, you still give yourself the problem of a rival buying your star player the day the window closes and you have no say in it whatsoever.

If Mane had a £200m buy out clause and city pay it on August 31st, then what do we do with the £200m?

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Old Man Fred said:
That's not really the case though (my bold) Ronaldo has the highest Buy out in the world, 1 Bn Euros yet there has still been talk the last 2 years of him going to man u.

It's a very fine line, too low and it gets activated a la Neymar, too high and it is irrelevant a la Ronaldo and the speculation continues. IF you get it right, you still give yourself the problem of a rival buying your star player the day the window closes and you have no say in it whatsoever.

If Mane had a £200m buy out clause and city pay it on August 31st, then what do we do with the £200m?
You would be mad to put a 200m buy out clause on him, it needs to be a silly amount, 200m these days is not silly -

Chris Stott

13,181 posts

196 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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m3sye said:
When it was made it was big enough, then things got stupid - Reals 700m euro one with Isco is a deterant

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10983...

Thing is you could have picked up for 40/50m not so long ago frown massive fk up by ALL premiership clubs
€700M is a proper deterrent. But if you really see a player as a long term part of your team, and you don't want the hassle of the Arabs, that's the way to do it.

Old Man Fred

821 posts

88 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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m3sye said:
Old Man Fred said:
That's not really the case though (my bold) Ronaldo has the highest Buy out in the world, 1 Bn Euros yet there has still been talk the last 2 years of him going to man u.

It's a very fine line, too low and it gets activated a la Neymar, too high and it is irrelevant a la Ronaldo and the speculation continues. IF you get it right, you still give yourself the problem of a rival buying your star player the day the window closes and you have no say in it whatsoever.

If Mane had a £200m buy out clause and city pay it on August 31st, then what do we do with the £200m?
You would be mad to put a 200m buy out clause on him, it needs to be a silly amount, 200m these days is not silly -
That's not the point i was making. Lets say we put it at a silly amount, say 1 bn Euros. City bid 200m we refuse, at 900m we would almost certainly accept. you then get exactly the same hassle we have now of deciding the price and it is not all in one lump. City will use all the tactics Barcelona are currently using and it still turns out into a long drawn out process.

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Old Man Fred said:
That's not the point i was making. Lets say we put it at a silly amount, say 1 bn Euros. City bid 200m we refuse, at 900m we would almost certainly accept. you then get exactly the same hassle we have now of deciding the price and it is not all in one lump. City will use all the tactics Barcelona are currently using and it still turns out into a long drawn out process.
I imagine that is in the clause too as it was with Neymars - they had to pay it in 1 so they did

Chris Stott

13,181 posts

196 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Old Man Fred said:
That's not really the case though (my bold) Ronaldo has the highest Buy out in the world, 1 Bn Euros yet there has still been talk the last 2 years of him going to man u.
No way man U could spend €1bn. They already have >£500M of debt.

Just agents playing, and clubs posturing.

m3sye said:
You would be mad to put a 200m buy out clause on him, it needs to be a silly amount, 200m these days is not silly -
£200M is still silly... Neymar is one of the best players in the World, and highly marketable on a Global level. Mane, as good as he is, is not on the same level value wise.

There would need to be another massive jump in club revenues to make £200M a regular transfer fee for a top player.

m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Chris Stott said:
£200M is still silly... Neymar is one of the best players in the World, and highly marketable on a Global level. Mane, as good as he is, is not on the same level value wise.

There would need to be another massive jump in club revenues to make £200M a regular transfer fee for a top player.
Is that not the whole point of them, you wouldn't put one on Mane for 90m it would be paid tmrw
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