Aung San Suu Kyi/Myanmar/Rohingya
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Myanmar’s military has been accused of genocide against the Rohingya in Rakhine state in a damning UN report that alleged the army was responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity against minorities across the country. The UN report said it found conclusive evidence that the actions of the country’s armed forces, known as the Tatmadaw, “undoubtedly amounted to the gravest crimes under international law” in Rakhine as well as in Kachin and Shan, states also riven by internal conflicts.
Aung San Suu Kyi has been blasted by UN investigators for failing to stop a brutal crackdown on Rohingya Muslims which they have called a genocide. The UN report called today for six of Myanmar's top military bosses, including the head of the army, to face genocide charges in an international court after a campaign which has seen 700,000 Rohingya flee the country.
Aung San Suu Kyi has been blasted by UN investigators for failing to stop a brutal crackdown on Rohingya Muslims which they have called a genocide. The UN report called today for six of Myanmar's top military bosses, including the head of the army, to face genocide charges in an international court after a campaign which has seen 700,000 Rohingya flee the country.
International law? What International law is that? It isn't an international issue. As far as I'm aware the alleged crimes are defined in two places, the Geneva Conventions and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
The International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in Burma. Myanmar is not a signatory to the Rome Statute.
The original Geneva Conventions (as amalgamated in 1946) deal with conduct between different countries at war, not civil war inside a single country. The alleged crimes in the UN report are domestic (committed in Myanmar by Myanmar troops on Myanmar citizens), not international. Myanmar is not a signatory to Protocol II of the Geneva Conventions (which brings domestic conflict within the same rules as international conflict).
The UN does itself no favours (again) making grandiose statements without any basis in reality.
The actions of the military might be abhorrent, but there is no existing international or supra-national forum available to deal with such actions. The only place to deal with it is in Myanmar under local laws if a suitable regime change was to happen within the remaining lifespan of the culprits.
This is just another nail in the coffin of the now largely useless United Nations.
The International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in Burma. Myanmar is not a signatory to the Rome Statute.
The original Geneva Conventions (as amalgamated in 1946) deal with conduct between different countries at war, not civil war inside a single country. The alleged crimes in the UN report are domestic (committed in Myanmar by Myanmar troops on Myanmar citizens), not international. Myanmar is not a signatory to Protocol II of the Geneva Conventions (which brings domestic conflict within the same rules as international conflict).
The UN does itself no favours (again) making grandiose statements without any basis in reality.
The actions of the military might be abhorrent, but there is no existing international or supra-national forum available to deal with such actions. The only place to deal with it is in Myanmar under local laws if a suitable regime change was to happen within the remaining lifespan of the culprits.
This is just another nail in the coffin of the now largely useless United Nations.
Aung San Suu Kyi has been a genocide denier for years now because she didn’t want to anger the very people who had previously imprisoned her, the military. Well it looks like the military have turned against her again.
“ Aung San Suu Kyi, leader of Myanmar's governing National League for Democracy (NLD) party, has been arrested, a party spokesman said.
It comes amid tensions between the civilian government and the military, stoking fears of a coup.
At elections in November, the NLD won enough seats to form a government, but the army says the vote was fraudulent.
Myanmar, also known as Burma, was ruled by the military until 2011. Ms Suu Kyi spent many years under house arrest.
The newly elected lower house of parliament was due to convene for the first time on Monday but the military was calling for a postponement.
The BBC's South East Asia correspondent, Jonathan Head, says there are soldiers on the streets of the capital, Naypyitaw, and the main city, Yangon.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55882489
“ Aung San Suu Kyi, leader of Myanmar's governing National League for Democracy (NLD) party, has been arrested, a party spokesman said.
It comes amid tensions between the civilian government and the military, stoking fears of a coup.
At elections in November, the NLD won enough seats to form a government, but the army says the vote was fraudulent.
Myanmar, also known as Burma, was ruled by the military until 2011. Ms Suu Kyi spent many years under house arrest.
The newly elected lower house of parliament was due to convene for the first time on Monday but the military was calling for a postponement.
The BBC's South East Asia correspondent, Jonathan Head, says there are soldiers on the streets of the capital, Naypyitaw, and the main city, Yangon.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55882489
hutchst said:
International law? What International law is that? It isn't an international issue. As far as I'm aware the alleged crimes are defined in two places, the Geneva Conventions and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
The International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in Burma. Myanmar is not a signatory to the Rome Statute.
The original Geneva Conventions (as amalgamated in 1946) deal with conduct between different countries at war, not civil war inside a single country. The alleged crimes in the UN report are domestic (committed in Myanmar by Myanmar troops on Myanmar citizens), not international. Myanmar is not a signatory to Protocol II of the Geneva Conventions (which brings domestic conflict within the same rules as international conflict).
The UN does itself no favours (again) making grandiose statements without any basis in reality.
The actions of the military might be abhorrent, but there is no existing international or supra-national forum available to deal with such actions. The only place to deal with it is in Myanmar under local laws if a suitable regime change was to happen within the remaining lifespan of the culprits.
This is just another nail in the coffin of the now largely useless United Nations.
A slow response to this from two years ago, but I disagree. You appear to be overlooking the framework of international law as to crimes against humanity as it has developed since 1945. The International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in Burma. Myanmar is not a signatory to the Rome Statute.
The original Geneva Conventions (as amalgamated in 1946) deal with conduct between different countries at war, not civil war inside a single country. The alleged crimes in the UN report are domestic (committed in Myanmar by Myanmar troops on Myanmar citizens), not international. Myanmar is not a signatory to Protocol II of the Geneva Conventions (which brings domestic conflict within the same rules as international conflict).
The UN does itself no favours (again) making grandiose statements without any basis in reality.
The actions of the military might be abhorrent, but there is no existing international or supra-national forum available to deal with such actions. The only place to deal with it is in Myanmar under local laws if a suitable regime change was to happen within the remaining lifespan of the culprits.
This is just another nail in the coffin of the now largely useless United Nations.
Anyway, rule of law off the agenda for now, as the army has taken over again.
All the new military government need to do now is hold an election with massive new numbers of mail in votes (because of corvid), deny election monitors into the counts. Then just deny and refuse any investigation into potential fraud or miss doings by just saying "where is your evidence?"
And jobs a good one, a ligament government we have, anyone who questions it just call them a conspiracy nut job.
And jobs a good one, a ligament government we have, anyone who questions it just call them a conspiracy nut job.
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