Transgender schooling row
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ONS to make gender a voluntary disclosure. Because being PC is far more important than gathering useful data from a £500m survey.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/08/no-sex-...
Meanwhile a charity that has received £175K in public funding was banned from further contact with a family after a boy had been forced to live as a girl.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-...
No matter who you vote for, the government gets in.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/08/no-sex-...
Meanwhile a charity that has received £175K in public funding was banned from further contact with a family after a boy had been forced to live as a girl.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/08/charity-advised-mum-...
No matter who you vote for, the government gets in.
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
Because humans are simple creatures, with simple categorisation patterns/methods developed over millennia and biological sex happens to be one of them.It may not always seem relevant, but it is one of the first markers that humans naturally use when Identifying other humans.
A better question might be along the lines of: "why would anyone think it reasonable that millions of years of evolution should be cast aside for the benefit of themselves alone, while requiring the effort of everyone around them?"
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
I would imagine that it’s quite a fundamental statistic to gather for analyses related to planning and equality. The Census is a very powerful tool for government policy and so shouldn't be derailed by whatever nonsense is politically fashionable at the time.
SantaBarbara said:
TooMany2cvs said:
So t he Rowes are idiots - but they're right?
How can they possibly be right, they are fanatics Their expressed views, and the way they expressed them, didn't sound fanatical to me.
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
I would imagine that it’s quite a fundamental statistic to gather for analyses related to planning and equality. Randy Winkman said:
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
I would imagine that it’s quite a fundamental statistic to gather for analyses related to planning and equality. Randy Winkman said:
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
I would imagine that it’s quite a fundamental statistic to gather for analyses related to planning and equality. JagLover said:
otolith said:
Randy Winkman said:
Why should citizens be required to tell officials what sex they are?
I would imagine that it’s quite a fundamental statistic to gather for analyses related to planning and equality. The Census is a very powerful tool for government policy and so shouldn't be derailed by whatever nonsense is politically fashionable at the time.
The whole transgender thing has got me thinking over the last few months as I've recently had first hand experience of a female to male transgender person, plus a good friend of the wife's has a daughter who now identifies as male.
Both of these people have issues or have had issues to one degree or another with their home life.
The first person is 22, my wife worked with him for approximately a year, he lives as and identifies as male but hasn't had any operations yet but they are planned and he has a pre-op for the first operation at some point this month. He has had a very chaotic upbringing, he is the sole carer for his mentally ill mother and has been for a number of years, his mother has been in and out of hospital and has attempted suicide many times, is also the carer for his younger brother who has aspergers.
His mum and dad split many years ago after it was discovered that his dad was living a double life and had a second family, his sister also frequently dumps her son on him.
My daughter became involved romantically with him for a couple of months until it all went sour and he has been an absolute b
d to us all, particularly the wife, whom he got on very well with, she ended up having to resign from her job because of him.
Friends who knew him from an early age never had any inkling about his feelings and assumed he was a lesbian, until a couple of years ago when he suddenly declared he wanted to be male, it shocked alot of people.
The second person is again female to male, 18 years old, the daughter of a good friend of the wife's, he identifies as male and has only done so recently.
Not a majorly chaotic home life but there have been challenges, mum and dad are together but have had rough times; nearly splitting quite a few times, dad has been made redundant many times, there are money issues and mum has had breast cancer, she nearly died but is still going through it as it had returned.
My point is that is with the above 2 people, can it be more of a control thing such as anorexia or bulimia; they both have/have had issues at home that have been out of their control, the focus is never on them so they decide to try and gain some control and focus back to themselves and use the transgender thing as a control mechanism as the only person that can control what they are doing, what they feel or what they want to be; is themselves.
Plus with the first person and the way that he has behaved towards us and other friends in the last few months, I can't see him being mentally strong enough to deal with the upcoming changes, but then again I'm not a psychiatrist.
By the way, the above are just my thoughts, if people see any malice in it, it certainly isn't intended.
Both of these people have issues or have had issues to one degree or another with their home life.
The first person is 22, my wife worked with him for approximately a year, he lives as and identifies as male but hasn't had any operations yet but they are planned and he has a pre-op for the first operation at some point this month. He has had a very chaotic upbringing, he is the sole carer for his mentally ill mother and has been for a number of years, his mother has been in and out of hospital and has attempted suicide many times, is also the carer for his younger brother who has aspergers.
His mum and dad split many years ago after it was discovered that his dad was living a double life and had a second family, his sister also frequently dumps her son on him.
My daughter became involved romantically with him for a couple of months until it all went sour and he has been an absolute b
d to us all, particularly the wife, whom he got on very well with, she ended up having to resign from her job because of him.Friends who knew him from an early age never had any inkling about his feelings and assumed he was a lesbian, until a couple of years ago when he suddenly declared he wanted to be male, it shocked alot of people.
The second person is again female to male, 18 years old, the daughter of a good friend of the wife's, he identifies as male and has only done so recently.
Not a majorly chaotic home life but there have been challenges, mum and dad are together but have had rough times; nearly splitting quite a few times, dad has been made redundant many times, there are money issues and mum has had breast cancer, she nearly died but is still going through it as it had returned.
My point is that is with the above 2 people, can it be more of a control thing such as anorexia or bulimia; they both have/have had issues at home that have been out of their control, the focus is never on them so they decide to try and gain some control and focus back to themselves and use the transgender thing as a control mechanism as the only person that can control what they are doing, what they feel or what they want to be; is themselves.
Plus with the first person and the way that he has behaved towards us and other friends in the last few months, I can't see him being mentally strong enough to deal with the upcoming changes, but then again I'm not a psychiatrist.
By the way, the above are just my thoughts, if people see any malice in it, it certainly isn't intended.
Edited by HTP99 on Monday 16th October 18:52
HTP99 said:
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This morning I read a very similar point made in an article elsewhere.A key point was that transgender issues in many cases can be linked to problems in someones life or health and that there is now a push to unquestionably support something rather than working to make sure there isn't another underlying thing that will cause difficulty later.
Around the issue of children and transgenderism there is also a similar push to support a decision without question, rather than realising that children are malleable, prone to suggestion and magical thinking and that the 'choice' made by a child is a long way from being robust. There may be a genuine issue or it may be down to other things so just accepting it is not a good approach.
Jonesy23 said:
This morning I read a very similar point made in an article elsewhere.
A key point was that transgender issues in many cases can be linked to problems in someones life or health and that there is now a push to unquestionably support something rather than working to make sure there isn't another underlying thing that will cause difficulty later.
Around the issue of children and transgenderism there is also a similar push to support a decision without question, rather than realising that children are malleable, prone to suggestion and magical thinking and that the 'choice' made by a child is a long way from being robust. There may be a genuine issue or it may be down to other things so just accepting it is not a good approach.
These days it seems that there is much more acceptance in younger generations for people to change gender roles, blur the lines or just go for agendered identity. Good. It makes it a lot less of a deal for those who really are going to transition, and those who are using it as a defence mechanism can do so without being ostracised. Back when I was a teenager, there was no halfway house - you either had to be out, loud and proud or brush it all under the carpet. Judging by how few LGBT people I knew when I was young, the vast majority hid it away and suffered in silence.A key point was that transgender issues in many cases can be linked to problems in someones life or health and that there is now a push to unquestionably support something rather than working to make sure there isn't another underlying thing that will cause difficulty later.
Around the issue of children and transgenderism there is also a similar push to support a decision without question, rather than realising that children are malleable, prone to suggestion and magical thinking and that the 'choice' made by a child is a long way from being robust. There may be a genuine issue or it may be down to other things so just accepting it is not a good approach.
The point being that you can accept people exploring gender a long time before it needs to be a permanent decision on their part - and ultimately they should have the space to make that decision. Relaxing about it may make it seem that it's suddenly being 'forced' everywhere, but in reality it makes it easier for people to explore, change their minds and be a little more fluid.
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