Transgender schooling row

[qube_TA]

Kids want to feel normal and fit in to their groups. If you get someone who wants to wear a girl's uniform but it means they go to school and study then I don't really think it'll do any harm, perhaps they'll grow out of it, perhaps they'll actually be trans and will stay that way. If he hangs out with girls and they are his friends yet because he's too young to know about gender and sexuality he might think it's odd he's got to wear something different to them, I don't know armchair phycology here.

School is depressing and lonely enough as it is without being told that some people wear this uniform and others wear that one, and you have to wear the one you don't want to. It's not the same as not wearing a uniform at all.

Also I wouldn't be worried that if my kid went to school with a boy who wore a skirt he'd be infected with the gay or the trans.

Don't think it's an issue, the god botherers just was special treatment as always.

[Jimmy Recard]

qube_TA said:

I don't know armchair phycology here.

Son, you need kelp

[Randy Winkman]

ZedLeg said:

Nanook said:

Sheetmaself said:

Completely agree, not a parent myself but surely stoping the child from dressing how they want is "forcing st on them" no?

Where do you draw the line? Do you let your kid go to school in their PJs? Or a Chewbacca onesie?

Do you let them wear their football strip to a wedding?

I'm not big on authority. I dislike being told what to do. But sometimes, it's required. imagine letting your kid do whatever they wanted, all the time, to avoid being accused of "forcing st on them"

Can you imagine what a little dick they'd grow up to be, without a bit of discipline and a few rules?

None of that is the same thing.

As long as they're wearing school uniform, what difference does it make whether they wear a skirt of trousers?

Exactly. I don't think kids should be left to do "what they want" but there has to be a rational explanation when they say "why not? or "what harm does it do? "

[esxste]

Pesty said:

Those parents are idiots

And also the parents of the other 6yo

That is too young to decide they want to be a different gender. Just let kids be and stop,forcing st on them.

This is a confused message.

If a 6 year old boy says "I want to wear a dress"... are you not forcing 'st' on them by saying "No you can't wear that" ?

Transgender people have existed throughout human history. It is a natural phenomenon, and the best thing for any parent to do, I think, is accommodate and support their child. It might be just a 'phase'... but it might not. Suicide rates and depression are very high amongst trans teens, and any parent should want to avoid that for their child if they can.

[deltaevo16]

Randy Winkman said:

Exactly. I don't think kids should be left to do "what they want" but there has to be a rational explanation when they say "why not? or "what harm does it do? "

Especially when you tell them that You'll probably get the sh+t kicked out of you.
If anyone went to the school I attended wearing a dress, christ they would have been hammered. It was bad enough if you had ginger hair.

[JagLover]

amusingduck said:

Easy solution. Grey boiler suits for all. They're hardwearing, cheap, and it doesn't matter if they get dirty. Plus, you can't really make a statement with your outfit if everyone is wearing boiler suits!

I can't see how anyone could be bullied for having the "wrong" boiler suit

Another story at the weekend was about a school that has banned skirts for girls to avoid "offending Trans gender children".

Thought that was nonsense as well, but thinking about it more the schools are between a rock and a hard place. Tell the kids (or more appropriately the parents) to stop the nonsense and there will be some functionary who will penalize them for being insufficiently PC.

Dress every child in trousers and it wont give tts who use their six year old son as a virtue signaling weapon in the "culture wars" an opportunity.

[bitchstewie]

The parents who are taking the legal action are idiots.

If their argument is about "biblical values" presumably they'd be suing at the slightest hint of gayness or anything else that goes against "biblical values"?

Remind me again what it is that priests wear?

[Gareth1974]

Christians objecting to males wearing dresses? They should ask themselves, what would Jesus do?

[amusingduck]

esxste said:

Pesty said:

Those parents are idiots

And also the parents of the other 6yo

That is too young to decide they want to be a different gender. Just let kids be and stop,forcing st on them.

This is a confused message.

If a 6 year old boy says "I want to wear a dress"... are you not forcing 'st' on them by saying "No you can't wear that" ?

Transgender people have existed throughout human history. It is a natural phenomenon, and the best thing for any parent to do, I think, is accommodate and support their child. It might be just a 'phase'... but it might not. Suicide rates and depression are very high amongst trans teens, and any parent should want to avoid that for their child if they can.

Isn't "forcing 'st' on them" what we call "Parenting"?

Re: the bold part - Parents will also want to avoid this scenario -

indy said:

After heeding advice from professionals who suggested that it was right choice, his mother was fully supportive and Mitchell began to transition.

He grew out his hair and started to take the hormones, which caused his body to grow breasts. But two years on, Mitchell had a change of heart.

In the beginning of 2017, teachers at school began to refer to him as a girl which triggered Mitchell to question if he had made the right decision.

“I began to realise I was actually comfortable in my body. Every day I just felt better,” he told Now To Love.

As a result, Mitchell confided in his mother and explained that he wanted to transition back into a boy.

“He looked me in the eye and said ‘I'm just not sure that I am a girl’”, his mother explained.

Now, in a bid to revert back to his original body, he has stopped taking his medication and is about to have an operation to remove excess breast tissue in what will be the final stage of his transition.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-old-boy-trans-female-change-mind-years-later-patrick-mitchell-australia-oestrogen-hormones-a7933741.html

Flies in the face of the "children as young as <x> know they are really the opposite gender" rhetoric I've seen before.

Are children really capable enough to make a decision of this magnitude?

[JagLover]

amusingduck said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-ol...

Flies in the face of the "children as young as <x> know they are really the opposite gender" rhetoric I've seen before.

Are children really capable enough to make a decision of this magnitude?

When she was six my sister liked running around barking like a dog.

If you ask some, we should have embraced her "canine identity" and dressed her up in a dog suit.

She grew out of it.

[Murph7355]

JagLover said:

Another story at the weekend was about a school that has banned skirts for girls to avoid "offending Trans gender children".

Thought that was nonsense as well, but thinking about it more the schools are between a rock and a hard place. Tell the kids (or more appropriately the parents) to stop the nonsense and there will be some functionary who will penalize them for being insufficiently PC.

Dress every child in trousers and it wont give tts who use their six year old son as a virtue signaling weapon in the "culture wars" an opportunity.

There was a link to it posted earlier.

A parent of a girl wasn't happy as the girl felt her choices were being removed as she understood her gender and wanted to wear clothes associated with it

As you note, rock and a hard place.

The idea of grey boiler suits adorned with numbers so we don't have to reference people by gender or name is starting to look attractive....and not just for schools

[popeyewhite]

Randy Winkman said:

Exactly. I don't think kids should be left to do "what they want" but there has to be a rational explanation when they say "why not? or "what harm does it do? "

"Why not?"
That would be because it's the school uniform. The school decides what it's pupils wear, not the parents.
"What harm does it do"
It goes against school uniform rules.
Y'know like speeding on an empty motorway at 100 doesn't harm anyone... .

At the age of 6 it's up to the parents to teach the kids a) not to flout school rules, and b) act responsibly and realise how they influence and condition their children's choices all the way through life, but especially pre-puberty.

[bitchstewie]

But in this case the school have approved it as presumably it is school uniform vs. some random dress?

[irocfan]

esxste said:

Suicide rates and depression are very high amongst trans teens, and any parent should want to avoid that for their child if they can.

IIRC suicide rates and depression among Goths are very common too - does this mean we should be making special allowances here too?

What happens to kids that can do whatever they want in the name of 'freedom' who suddenly find out that they can't do this in the workplace?

[popeyewhite]

bhstewie said:

But in this case the school have approved it as presumably it is school uniform vs. some random dress?

You're right. I was really addressing the post I quoted ("Why not..").

[Hayek]

The transgender agenda (especially in schools) is total BS, anyone with the balls to stand up to it has my support.

[otolith]

amusingduck said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-ol...

Flies in the face of the "children as young as <x> know they are really the opposite gender" rhetoric I've seen before.

Are children really capable enough to make a decision of this magnitude?

And that is why, when children who it seems might be trans are treated by medical professionals (rather than being given oestrogen prescribed for their mum) they are subject to a great deal of psychological evaluation and are not given opposite sex hormones until they are 16. At most they will be given hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to really be sure.

God knows what damage his mum has done to him with her DIY hormonal treatment - she should be prosecuted, IMO.

[ATG]

Nanook said:

andymadmak said:

Nanook said:

BlackLabel said:

Ffs what do they think is actually going to happen to their children when they are in the presence of a boy dressed as a girl?

They're idiots. And Christians. They probably think their child will 'catch the gay' or something.

That's not how they came across this morning on the Today program (R4)

I quite often listen to R4 in the mornings, but haven't for the last few days, so I'll take that back, that's unfair of me to speculate in that manner, without all the facts.

I heard the interview and, frankly, it was an exercise in polite, unaggressive questioning because the parents clearly couldn't string an argument together and it would have been unfair to grill them. It boiled down to "it's confusing for our child", and a departure from what they thought was normal. They weren't evil, just not very empathetic or imaginative.

[joefraser]

Hayek said:

The transgender agenda (especially in schools) is total BS, anyone with the balls to stand up to it has my support.

"the balls..."

Deliberate? Brilliant either way

[hyphen]

JagLover said:

Pesty said:

Those parents are idiots

And also the parents of the other 6yo

That is too young to decide they want to be a different gender. Just let kids be and stop,forcing st on them.

This

Six is far too young for this nonsense.

Teen who began gender transition at 12 reveals WHY he changed his mind and wanted to go back to being a boy