Fists fly at Speakers Corner
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It seems to me the feminist group had organised a meeting to discuss the transgender impact on women, notably the Gender Recognition Act, which will allow men to compete in women's sports, and have access to women's toilets and changing rooms.
However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. Themen transactivists then showed up to give them a kicking.
However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. The
Meteor Madness said:
It seems to me the feminist group had organised a meeting to discuss the transgender impact on women, notably the Gender Recognition Act, which will allow men to compete in women's sports, and have access to women's toilets and changing rooms.
However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. Themen transactivists then showed up to give them a kicking.
The Gender Recognition Act will do no such thing.However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. The
Wiccan of Darkness said:
I think I've worked it out, the New Statesman seems to have shed a little more light on this.
So.... we have 2 groups. One a bunch of people who are basically chix with dix saying 'we're women, honestly' and another group of ultra radical feminists who feel their own gender is threatened by trans people claiming to be women and aren't, so their views as women are their rights supercede those of non women or gender unspecified or unidentified binary gender. Ultra liberal extremist feminists are using this to highlight the plight of male violence, when in fact no 'males' were involved in the attacks (despite the attackers having a penis, they aren't male - keep up at the back) when in fact the ultra liberal feminists are indulging in a hate crime themselves, by making those claims that are indeed offensive to chix with dix (because they're not men, they're women and identify as women).
So.... we have 2 groups. One a bunch of people who are basically chix with dix saying 'we're women, honestly' and another group of ultra radical feminists who feel their own gender is threatened by trans people claiming to be women and aren't, so their views as women are their rights supercede those of non women or gender unspecified or unidentified binary gender. Ultra liberal extremist feminists are using this to highlight the plight of male violence, when in fact no 'males' were involved in the attacks (despite the attackers having a penis, they aren't male - keep up at the back) when in fact the ultra liberal feminists are indulging in a hate crime themselves, by making those claims that are indeed offensive to chix with dix (because they're not men, they're women and identify as women).
Thanks for clearing that up! 
You helped me grasp the Charlie Gard debacle, but this nonsense is a step too far for my meagre intellect.
chris watton said:
If ever the 'Peoples Front of Judea' and the 'Judean Peoples Front' meme was appropriate, I think this fits the bill perfectly!
Oddly, reading the description of the circumstances leading up to this heavyweight title event, the image that came to my mind was that of John Cleese's Centurion trying not to laugh at the "Biggus Dickus" tale.
I don't really agree with using violence to quell debate, even if the meeting was likely to have been a bit of an echo chamber. I'm all for equality while at the same time I recognise the genders have different strengths and weaknesses.
However, trans people, I salute you!
I have a distaste for militant, misandrist feminists who dedicate their lives to demonising men and playing the victim. You're effectively outing many of them as being quite fascistic and oppressive in the way they treat you, as bad as this male devil construct of theirs.
However, trans people, I salute you!
I have a distaste for militant, misandrist feminists who dedicate their lives to demonising men and playing the victim. You're effectively outing many of them as being quite fascistic and oppressive in the way they treat you, as bad as this male devil construct of theirs.
The Mad Monk said:
Mothersruin said:
I think that there are a few people there that should go to boxing classes.Wiccan of Darkness said:
So.... we have 2 groups. One a bunch of people who are basically chix with dix saying 'we're women, honestly' and another group of ultra radical feminists who feel their own gender is threatened by trans people claiming to be women and aren't, so their views as women are their rights supercede those of non women or gender unspecified or unidentified binary gender. Ultra liberal extremist feminists are using this to highlight the plight of male violence, when in fact no 'males' were involved in the attacks (despite the attackers having a penis, they aren't male - keep up at the back) when in fact the ultra liberal feminists are indulging in a hate crime themselves, by making those claims that are indeed offensive to chix with dix (because they're not men, they're women and identify as women).
You are Donald Rumsfeld and ICMFP. 
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Wiccan of Darkness said:
I think I've worked it out, the New Statesman seems to have shed a little more light on this.
So.... we have 2 groups. One a bunch of people who are basically chix with dix saying 'we're women, honestly' and another group of ultra radical feminists who feel their own gender is threatened by trans people claiming to be women and aren't, so their views as women are their rights supercede those of non women or gender unspecified or unidentified binary gender. Ultra liberal extremist feminists are using this to highlight the plight of male violence, when in fact no 'males' were involved in the attacks (despite the attackers having a penis, they aren't male - keep up at the back) when in fact the ultra liberal feminists are indulging in a hate crime themselves, by making those claims that are indeed offensive to chix with dix (because they're not men, they're women and identify as women).
So.... we have 2 groups. One a bunch of people who are basically chix with dix saying 'we're women, honestly' and another group of ultra radical feminists who feel their own gender is threatened by trans people claiming to be women and aren't, so their views as women are their rights supercede those of non women or gender unspecified or unidentified binary gender. Ultra liberal extremist feminists are using this to highlight the plight of male violence, when in fact no 'males' were involved in the attacks (despite the attackers having a penis, they aren't male - keep up at the back) when in fact the ultra liberal feminists are indulging in a hate crime themselves, by making those claims that are indeed offensive to chix with dix (because they're not men, they're women and identify as women).
Thanks for clearing that up! You helped me grasp the Charlie Gard debacle, but this nonsense is a step too far for my meagre intellect.
brilliantsaaby93 said:
chris watton said:
If ever the 'Peoples Front of Judea' and the 'Judean Peoples Front' meme was appropriate, I think this fits the bill perfectly!
That film had so much in it which over the years has been shown to be so trueWhat about 'men's inalienable right to have babies' ? Does that figure here
Splitter!
p2c said:
Meteor Madness said:
It seems to me the feminist group had organised a meeting to discuss the transgender impact on women, notably the Gender Recognition Act, which will allow men to compete in women's sports, and have access to women's toilets and changing rooms.
However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. Themen transactivists then showed up to give them a kicking.
The Gender Recognition Act will do no such thing.However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. The
KrazyIvan said:
I got as far as the "organisation called "sisters uncut"" and couldn't read the rest for laughing, I don't know why but it just creased me up.
There really does seem to some sort of race to the "most oppressed" group award, and it a fierce competition.
Commonly referred to as 'The Oppression Olympics'There really does seem to some sort of race to the "most oppressed" group award, and it a fierce competition.
Many people had long ago worked out that the extremist feminist ideologues and the extremist transgender activist ideologues were diametrically opposed in their goals.
The hatred for the white male privileged patriarchy being their only commonality.
Sadly, it is the moderate voices that are silenced, and the people that need understanding and acceptance that are disadvantaged.
Changing the Gender Recognition Act won't solve discrimination
The final paragraph of the article is quite telling I think
NS said:
If the Labour party and the governments in the UK want to effectively help transsexual people then they need to speak to those people directly, not organisations claiming to represent all and sundry about the issues transsexual people face in society. Politicians should also stop tinkering with something which successive governments are not effectively policing and supporting in the first place.
spelling corrected, my italicspc.iow said:
p2c said:
Meteor Madness said:
It seems to me the feminist group had organised a meeting to discuss the transgender impact on women, notably the Gender Recognition Act, which will allow men to compete in women's sports, and have access to women's toilets and changing rooms.
However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. Themen transactivists then showed up to give them a kicking.
The Gender Recognition Act will do no such thing.However the feminists were driven out of their original venue with of threats of violence, so decided to convene at Speakers Corner to arrange where to go next. The
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Sadly, it is the moderate voices that are silenced, and the people that need understanding and acceptance that are disadvantaged.
Changing the Gender Recognition Act won't solve discrimination
The final paragraph of the article is quite telling I think
The article raises some very valid points, The GRA does not provide a great deal of protection from discrimination, that is the domain of the Equality act. Which in itself needs a little bit of work to tweak the language as it should protect gender expression more clearly than it does at the moment (its there but convoluted) Changing the Gender Recognition Act won't solve discrimination
The final paragraph of the article is quite telling I think
NS said:
If the Labour party and the governments in the UK want to effectively help transsexual people then they need to speak to those people directly, not organisations claiming to represent all and sundry about the issues transsexual people face in society. Politicians should also stop tinkering with something which successive governments are not effectively policing and supporting in the first place.
spelling corrected, my italicsThe GRA though does provide some important legal protections which i fear will get lost in the review or lost due to inaction in protection of them which the author touches upon. The focus however is on the process of obtaining gender recognition which does need an overhaul as what it is now is quite frankly obscene, There does need to be some checks and balances and formality though, rather than changing things at whim daily which is what the scare stories are about, but i very much doubt the end result will allow for at whim changes and I would hope to see it as being a declaration more open to legitimate challenge than upfront burden being required as it is now, allowing those who legitimately achieve gender recognition to do so simply whilst any that go about it fraudulently can be challenged in court or via a similar system to today.
The whole idea that changes to the GRA will permit men into ladies toilets, changing rooms and sports is incorrect as those things as mentioned are already catered for under EQ2010 and in the latter case sport governing bodies (in the case of pro sports and Olympics) and for the record its categorically wrong to make the link between men and trans women being one and the same and any men attempting to access women's facilities for the purpose of no good are already committing numerous other offences which are also catered for in law.
p2c said:
There does need to be some checks and balances and formality though, rather than changing things at whim daily which is what the scare stories are about, but i very much doubt the end result will allow for at whim changes and I would hope to see it as being a declaration more open to legitimate challenge than upfront burden being required as it is now, allowing those who legitimately achieve gender recognition to do so simply whilst any that go about it fraudulently can be challenged in court or via a similar system to today.
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