Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
Discussion
///ajd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Have you ever considered how much we give in International Aid every year? Its well over £10Bn+/year. Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Moaning about funding the EU is really no different.
It is similar in some ways to moaning about giving money to charity.
Pan Pan Pan said:
No it is nothing like giving money to charity.
Define "charity" : the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.The admin side of the EU is about 6% - we can argue about what is waste etc. that all day - but the rest of the money is spent on stuff. A huge part of that is infrastructure. A recent drive in Wales suggests a far chunk has been spent there.
You can argue building schools in Africa is more noble and deserving than building new roads in run down parts of Eastern Europe - and I might not disagree. But the principle is similar whether you want to admit it or not.
///ajd said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No it is nothing like giving money to charity.
Define "charity" : the voluntary giving of help, typically in the form of money, to those in need.The admin side of the EU is about 6% - we can argue about what is waste etc. that all day - but the rest of the money is spent on stuff. A huge part of that is infrastructure. A recent drive in Wales suggests a far chunk has been spent there.
You can argue building schools in Africa is more noble and deserving than building new roads in run down parts of Eastern Europe - and I might not disagree. But the principle is similar whether you want to admit it or not.
///ajd said:
Have you ever considered how much we give in International Aid every year? Its well over £10Bn+/year.
Roughly 0.7% of GDP - which is a commitment ALL rich countries made in 1970, then renewed as a Millennium Development Coal. That was a reduction from the 1958 commitment of 1%, then 0.75% by 1972.http://www.oecd.org/dac/stats/the07odagnitarget-ah...
As for the £350m/week lie, let's not forget that even Nige backtracked on it the minute the ballotboxes were closed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-r...
And, yes, it is a sheer lie. Always has been, always will be.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-...
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Sunday 17th September 12:35
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
The real triumph of the Leave campaign was to frame the debate in these simplistic terms - the money that physically changes hands.Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Ignoring the benefit to UK businesses, increased tax revenues.
Ignoring the power it gave us on the world stage, to be a controlling voice in the EU.
Ignoring the savings we made on our own government costs (like not having to pay trade negotiators, for one!)
Ignoring the costs of admin not needed by having consistent standards across an entire continent.
etc etc...
The reason people don't believe a word of the £350m lie is that once all of the above is paid for, there won't be any left of our "saving".
mx5nut said:
The real triumph of the Leave campaign was to frame the debate in these simplistic terms - the money that physically changes hands.
Ignoring the benefit to UK businesses, increased tax revenues.
You ignore the costs to businesses, which reduces tax revenues.Ignoring the benefit to UK businesses, increased tax revenues.
mx5nut said:
Ignoring the power it gave us on the world stage, to be a controlling voice in the EU.
You must have missed Cameron's negotiations with the EU pre-refendum. We are a G7 nation, we have power on the world stage without the EU.
mx5nut said:
Ignoring the savings we made on our own government costs (like not having to pay trade negotiators, for one!)
You ignore the fact that EU trade negotiators have to balance the needs of all the EU entities, watering down what the UK might want. And our inability to create direct agreements.mx5nut said:
Ignoring the costs of admin not needed by having consistent standards across an entire continent.
You Ignore the costs involved in those maintaining standards which are still different to those in there countries.mx5nut said:
etc etc...
The reason people don't believe a word of the £350m lie is that once all of the above is paid for, there won't be any left of our "saving".
Except of course there probably will.The reason people don't believe a word of the £350m lie is that once all of the above is paid for, there won't be any left of our "saving".
cookie118 said:
Simple question for the leavers on here.
Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
No.Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
Although given that we have apparently been accruing liabilities in addition to our net payment (100 billion Euros worth according to the EU) I'm not sure how false it really is.
cookie118 said:
Simple question for the leavers on here.
Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
I'm fine with itAre you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
Everyone knows it is arse gravy.
The figures Osborne, Carney etc were even more dangerous arse gravy. Yet I haven't seen too much condemnation of them.
This is Boris' PR machine noting that he isn't being talked about (a bad thing)
Normal service resumed.
Troubleatmill said:
cookie118 said:
Simple question for the leavers on here.
Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
The figures Osborne, Carney etc were even more dangerous arse gravy. Yet I haven't seen too much condemnation of them.
The bus is all they have, desperate when compared to 'Project Fear'.
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Christ!Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
If your understanding of our financial relationship with the EU is typical of many Brexiters then it is no wonder the UK is in the mess it is now.
You need to educate yourself, you have it very very wrong in terms of the larger picture. The net benefits and global picture clearly escapes your quite obviously very limited understanding.
You can read and write so you should be able to research properly and grasp where you are going wrong.
I like Cameron but he got it so wrong giving you and others like you a vote.
cookie118 said:
Simple question for the leavers on here.
Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
No, mainly because I never wanted skip fulls of cash going to the NHS with everyone trying to out-pledge each other in who will give the most. Are you ok with the fact that boris continues to use a false figure?
I'm told by people on here though that I bought into this and was easily conned to vote Leave on the back of the big red bus.
Article from The Independent.
Why are we so surprised Boris lies when he's been sacked for it twice before.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surpris...
Why are we so surprised Boris lies when he's been sacked for it twice before.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surpris...
Dr Jekyll said:
The EU is not 'in need'.
So Bulgaria with min wage of €1 and av wage €500/month is not a relatively poor country?I thought that was why they were coming over here to take our HGV jobs, living 10 in a house, drinking in the street and sending the money home / not spending any here? And not maintaining their vehicles. Probably.
Coolbanana said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
How long will it take people to understand that the UK has not ,and never has received a single net positive penny of funding from the EU in all the time it has been a member state of the EU.
Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
Christ!Receiving a tiny part of the UK`s own money back out of the billions it sends into the EU`s coffers every year, does not constitute positive funding from the EU. Even then, the UK is fined by the EU if its does not spend its OWN money the way the EU tells it to.
I would love to do business with a remainer who still believes that the UK gets any cash at all from the EU.
Before I let them do any business at all with me, I would charge them say 20 quid before I would even let them talk to me about doing any business with them let alone actually do any business,
Out of the twenty quid they just handed me (for absolutely nothing) I would give them 3 of their OWN pounds back, but tell them I will punish them, if they don't spend it the way I want them to. After that I will then proceed to sell them more of my goods, and services than I let them sell their goods to me (which mean my businesses will be busier than theirs (to the tune of 71 billion pounds worth in 2016 alone, and for almost the entire time the UK has been in the EU) On top of that I will seize part of their particular natural assets for which I will pay them nothing, whilst making billions a year from it myself, and yet there are idiots out there, who think all this constitutes a great deal for the UK.????? What in heavens name planet are they on?
If your understanding of our financial relationship with the EU is typical of many Brexiters then it is no wonder the UK is in the mess it is now.
You need to educate yourself, you have it very very wrong in terms of the larger picture. The net benefits and global picture clearly escapes your quite obviously very limited understanding.
You can read and write so you should be able to research properly and grasp where you are going wrong.
I like Cameron but he got it so wrong giving you and others like you a vote.
t in their brains which were meant to process information and analyse it, and yes these very people can vote too.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff