Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.

[Murph7355]

Eddie Strohacker said:

fblm said:

I disagree. Cameron held the referendum; he should have prepared for either outcome. Remain were never so far ahead that a leave vote was out of the question so it would have been simple good governance to thoroughly prepare for both outcomes, regardless of his intention to quit if he lost. Deliberately failing to prepare for a predictable, major shock of high probability was idiotic and reckless. Perhaps if Cameron had approached the vote with a little more integrity and presented the facts of EU membership honestly, rather than through the obvious, hyperbolic spin of project fear, then he would not have given Leave so many open goals or set the level of the debate so low.

I was being as generous as I could manage, but I agree, Cameron was a reckless idiot. What followed is worse & far from over.

So can you blame Cameron's government or can't you?

Are you staying out of these threads or aren't you?

Come on Eddie, make your mind up. You've been prevaricating long enough and must know what you want by now

You don't have an objective bone in your body on Brexit. No point pretending.

fblm is spot on. Cameron was an idiot. Not for calling the referendum but for how he called it and how he ran it. And what he did next.

[kurt535]

Deptford Draylons said:

I find ///ajd and you to be the only two stand out idiot Remainers on the forum. All the rest seem reasonable and I can agree and disagree on various areas, but you two in particular have a style of posting that lacks any balance and just seems pure negative PR bks speak most of the time.

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

[anonymous-user]

kurt535 said:

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

Why are you employing people not from an EU country?

[Coolbanana]

jsf said:

Why are you employing people not from an EU country?

He's obviously being very pro-active and getting in migrants from the Rest of the World to make up for the lack of those from the EU post-Brexit!

Cubans...Chinese next, millions.

[don'tbesilly]

kurt535 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

I find ///ajd and you to be the only two stand out idiot Remainers on the forum. All the rest seem reasonable and I can agree and disagree on various areas, but you two in particular have a style of posting that lacks any balance and just seems pure negative PR bks speak most of the time.

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

Far from unusual, more the norm from my experience, it certainly was today.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Murph7355 said:

You don't have an objective bone in your body on Brexit. No point pretending.

fblm is spot on. Cameron was an idiot. Not for calling the referendum but for how he called it and how he ran it. And what he did next.

What like you you mean? Do me a favour.

Exhibit A ^^^ Cameron was right to call the referendum....


No, he wasn't. It was done for one reason & one reason only - to lance the weeping sore of the worst eurosceptics of the Tory party & where is the Tory party now? Weakened, more divided than ever & shored up by a bunch of 16th century religious fanatics. meanwhile, the country is irreconcilably divided, our reputation as an outward looking inclusive society is in the bin & the only people happy about that are you. The 3.7 in ten of the population willing to sacrifice their children for insularity, parochialism & nostalgia for a past that never actually existed. So please, spare me your condescending lecture about objectivity.

[Coolbanana]

don'tbesilly said:

Far from unusual, more the norm from my experience, it certainly was today.

I've met loads of UK Labourers over the years who only pitched to Site to demonstrate they were 'trying' so as to keep claiming Benefits.

They never lasted more than a day or two before being sacked for the lazy bums they were; which is what they wanted, of course.

The Site Managers would blacklist these individuals since they arrived every few months trying to repeat the process. Sad really, but UK Construction really does rely in large part upon an EU Workforce.

The hope of obviously encouraging a UK Workforce into those jobs post Brexit and a reduction in EU Workers by offering them incentives they will work for will inevitably push prices up for all. Easy for those sitting in their homes not reliant upon new homes being built to say they are happy with that of course, to get the Great British Worker back in gainful employment.

How long will that take? At what cost? I guess for the Brexiter it is beneficial so long at it happens eventually - and I do agree with that to an extent. It is just that I would rather find another way that doesn't involve leaving the EU because the void left by the EU Workforce will not be filled by vacuous UK Bums if it is the same role for the same money.
So either increase wages to encourage the Bums to be un-Bummed or remodel the Benefits system; neither involves leaving the EU!

[kurt535]

don'tbesilly said:

kurt535 said:

Deptford Draylons said:

I find ///ajd and you to be the only two stand out idiot Remainers on the forum. All the rest seem reasonable and I can agree and disagree on various areas, but you two in particular have a style of posting that lacks any balance and just seems pure negative PR bks speak most of the time.

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

Far from unusual, more the norm from my experience, it certainly was today.

craziest thing, all bar the english labourer have an in-depth knowledge of our old buildings - by old i mean 200 years plus. my most recent project could not have been achieved without them.

[Funkycoldribena]

kurt535 said:

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

Funny how these sort of scenarios only happen to remainers.

[///ajd]

jsf said:

After every round of talks, the EU publishes a document that shows the areas of discussion and what state they are in, they colour code these in Red, Yellow and Green. Everyone can read these documents, there is no secret or death required, its all in the open.

The last round of talks produced this document. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-politic...

The EHIC agreement is on page 11

All the documents on the this are open to all to read, but most people don't, which is how the press are getting away with spinning to their agenda. It also shows that when Barnier stated nothing had progressed during the last round, he was lying.

If you want to read them all you can by going to this web page. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit-negotiation...

Did your contact in DExEU highlight that for you?

Did you read on to page 12 on EHIC:

EU will not agree to continuing healthcare entitlement under
Reg.883/2004 if no cross border situation on exit day. Goes beyond personal scope.

The UK seeks a broad scope for EHIC based on the principle of an insured person under 883, without any need for a cross border
situation on day of exit. Significant concerns about operability without this.

There is a RED against that, so not exactly done and dusted.

[kurt535]

Funkycoldribena said:

kurt535 said:

Damn it i need to try harder to get on your Remainer radar

re your construction industry comment, my building team:

Sparks: Cuban
bricklayer: Irish
plasterer: Cuban
Cement/foundation crew: Romanian
Plumber: english, for the moment but horrendous attitude and definitely out the door once a polish lad I know gets his quals transferred
Labourer: english........last one too.

Funny how these sort of scenarios only happen to remainers.

When its my own money I use and risk every time, I hire the best person for the job.

Fact is my Cuban lads have been over here for 30 years and are by far the most talented people Ive used and I put that down to years of austerity in Cuba so they learnt how to re-engineer and make things from scratch. None of the crew take the p=ss in wages; they aren't the cheapest nor most expensive. Best bit, they turn up every day at 07:00 and are still going at the tools 17:00 at night. Romanian lad runs his own cement underpinning/groundworks business. He has been here for 17 years. He set up on his own 10 years ago having got fed up with knuckle dragging racism wherever he worked on a building site. Now with Brexit, he is going back to Romania, ironically shutting down a company that employs 5 people, 3 of whom are english.

All of them are good people and highly valued by me. ironically, the labourer lad i gave a chance to is THE hardest person to understand wtf he says when he talks!! as for his level 3 bricklaying qual.....lets not go there....

[don'tbesilly]

Coolbanana said:

don'tbesilly said:

Far from unusual, more the norm from my experience, it certainly was today.

I've met loads of UK Labourers over the years who only pitched to Site to demonstrate they were 'trying' so as to keep claiming Benefits.

They never lasted more than a day or two before being sacked for the lazy bums they were; which is what they wanted, of course.

The Site Managers would blacklist these individuals since they arrived every few months trying to repeat the process. Sad really, but UK Construction really does rely in large part upon an EU Workforce.

The hope of obviously encouraging a UK Workforce into those jobs post Brexit and a reduction in EU Workers by offering them incentives they will work for will inevitably push prices up for all. Easy for those sitting in their homes not reliant upon new homes being built to say they are happy with that of course, to get the Great British Worker back in gainful employment.

How long will that take? At what cost? I guess for the Brexiter it is beneficial so long at it happens eventually - and I do agree with that to an extent. It is just that I would rather find another way that doesn't involve leaving the EU because the void left by the EU Workforce will not be filled by vacuous UK Bums if it is the same role for the same money.
So either increase wages to encourage the Bums to be un-Bummed or remodel the Benefits system; neither involves leaving the EU!

Thanks for the monologue, but I was merely responding to a post about foreign construction workers working in the UK being the norm rather than something that was unusual.

Not really sure why there was such a focus on labourers, I've never met an Architect who had much to do with them, unless the tea wasn't up to spec.

[don'tbesilly]

kurt535 said:

Romanian lad runs his own cement underpinning/groundworks business. He has been here for 17 years. He set up on his own 10 years ago having got fed up with knuckle dragging racism wherever he worked on a building site. Now with Brexit, he is going back to Romania, ironically shutting down a company that employs 5 people, 3 of whom are english.

So your Romanian friend set his business up when the industry was approaching the worst recession the industry had seen for years, survived the recession that lasted 12-18 months, and for no other reason other than Brexit (which given he's been here for 17 years will probably not have any impact on him what so ever) he is shutting down what according to you is a successful business employing 5 people.

Makes no sense.

I guess the business that I deal with on a regular basis with an MD/owner from Poland, that has just employed 3 people, 2 Lithuanians and a Business Development Manager from Poland is far from the norm with the mass exodus of EU nationals from the UK that is being reported on a daily basis on here.

[Coolbanana]

don'tbesilly said:

Thanks for the monologue, but I was merely responding to a post about foreign construction workers working in the UK being the norm rather than something that was unusual.

Not really sure why there was such a focus on labourers, I've never met an Architect who had much to do with them, unless the tea wasn't up to spec.

My pleasure. I was merely agreeing with you highlighting my own experience.

I've worked as a Labourer on building sites, Site Manager too, long before I decided to get myself to University

In the UK, I managed the Design and Co-ordination of PFI Hospitals, Multi-use Developments, High Rise Residential, Luxury houses and general housing. I've been site-based many a year. So know my way around.

All that's behind me, I now run online companies that have nothing to do with Construction, strange how life can steer you on different paths, eh?

[don'tbesilly]

Coolbanana said:

don'tbesilly said:

Thanks for the monologue, but I was merely responding to a post about foreign construction workers working in the UK being the norm rather than something that was unusual.

Not really sure why there was such a focus on labourers, I've never met an Architect who had much to do with them, unless the tea wasn't up to spec.

My pleasure. I was merely agreeing with you highlighting my own experience.

I've worked as a Labourer on building sites, Site Manager too, long before I decided to get myself to University

In the UK, I managed the Design and Co-ordination of PFI Hospitals, Multi-use Developments, High Rise Residential, Luxury houses and general housing. I've been site-based many a year. So know my way around.

All that's behind me, I now run online companies that have nothing to do with Construction, strange how life can steer you on different paths, eh?

Gosh, go you!

Sir Norman Foster couldn't compete with you when you were really on fire, back in the day.

I guess that's why you packed it in (Architecture & Construction)

[alfie2244]

don'tbesilly said:

Coolbanana said:

don'tbesilly said:

Thanks for the monologue, but I was merely responding to a post about foreign construction workers working in the UK being the norm rather than something that was unusual.

Not really sure why there was such a focus on labourers, I've never met an Architect who had much to do with them, unless the tea wasn't up to spec.

My pleasure. I was merely agreeing with you highlighting my own experience.

I've worked as a Labourer on building sites, Site Manager too, long before I decided to get myself to University

In the UK, I managed the Design and Co-ordination of PFI Hospitals, Multi-use Developments, High Rise Residential, Luxury houses and general housing. I've been site-based many a year. So know my way around.

All that's behind me, I now run online companies that have nothing to do with Construction, strange how life can steer you on different paths, eh?

Gosh, go you!

Sir Norman Foster couldn't compete with you when you were really on fire, back in the day.

I guess that's why you packed it in (Architecture & Construction)

What a story...................What will they title the film.....Top Banana?

ps which PFI hospitals?

[kurt535]

don'tbesilly said:

kurt535 said:

Romanian lad runs his own cement underpinning/groundworks business. He has been here for 17 years. He set up on his own 10 years ago having got fed up with knuckle dragging racism wherever he worked on a building site. Now with Brexit, he is going back to Romania, ironically shutting down a company that employs 5 people, 3 of whom are english.

So your Romanian friend set his business up when the industry was approaching the worst recession the industry had seen for years, survived the recession that lasted 12-18 months, and for no other reason other than Brexit (which given he's been here for 17 years will probably not have any impact on him what so ever) he is shutting down what according to you is a successful business employing 5 people.

Makes no sense.

not the sharpest tool then understanding brexit/currencies/jingoism/red bus promises......

[don'tbesilly]

kurt535 said:

don'tbesilly said:

kurt535 said:

Romanian lad runs his own cement underpinning/groundworks business. He has been here for 17 years. He set up on his own 10 years ago having got fed up with knuckle dragging racism wherever he worked on a building site. Now with Brexit, he is going back to Romania, ironically shutting down a company that employs 5 people, 3 of whom are english.

So your Romanian friend set his business up when the industry was approaching the worst recession the industry had seen for years, survived the recession that lasted 12-18 months, and for no other reason other than Brexit (which given he's been here for 17 years will probably not have any impact on him what so ever) he is shutting down what according to you is a successful business employing 5 people.

Makes no sense.

not the sharpest tool then understanding brexit/currencies/jingoism/red bus promises......

So which one of your trades people sent you the link that you wax so lyrical about in this post:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

You also couldn't have done your last project without them, but needn't guidance on how to deal with the damp problems you were encountering in the 200 + yr property.

kurt535 said:

craziest thing, all bar the english labourer have an in-depth knowledge of our old buildings - by old i mean 200 years plus. my most recent project could not have been achieved without them.

You couldn't make it up.................................unless your Kurt535

[anonymous-user]

kurt535 said:

He has been here for 17 years. He set up on his own 10 years ago having got fed up with knuckle dragging racism wherever he worked on a building site. Now with Brexit, he is going back to Romania, ironically shutting down a company that employs 5 people, 3 of whom are english.

Whilst I can also honestly state that the British tradesmen/semi-literate-Essex-fvck-heads I've used on my flats have been invariably crap and the eastern europeans have been generally excellent, your story makes no sense. If he's been here 17 years he and his family must surely have British passports or be entitled to them, what's Brexit got to do with him leaving?

[anonymous-user]

///ajd said:

jsf said:

After every round of talks, the EU publishes a document that shows the areas of discussion and what state they are in, they colour code these in Red, Yellow and Green. Everyone can read these documents, there is no secret or death required, its all in the open.

The last round of talks produced this document. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-politic...

The EHIC agreement is on page 11

All the documents on the this are open to all to read, but most people don't, which is how the press are getting away with spinning to their agenda. It also shows that when Barnier stated nothing had progressed during the last round, he was lying.

If you want to read them all you can by going to this web page. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit-negotiation...

Did your contact in DExEU highlight that for you?

Did you read on to page 12 on EHIC:

EU will not agree to continuing healthcare entitlement under
Reg.883/2004 if no cross border situation on exit day. Goes beyond personal scope.

The UK seeks a broad scope for EHIC based on the principle of an insured person under 883, without any need for a cross border
situation on day of exit. Significant concerns about operability without this.

There is a RED against that, so not exactly done and dusted.

My contact in the DExEU? What are you on about?

Its not me that makes up that I know what's going on in private meetings, I just read publicly available documents.

Sure, one part is Red because the UK want a better set of terms to make the system easier to implement, the EU at this stage don't.

Maybe now you know the existence of these documents you will read more about the process rather than making it up? That would be a step forward.