Boris. £350m for the NHS if we leave EU. Again.
Discussion
mx5nut said:
If you think it's about the bus, you're missing the point.
The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
Never mind, too late now. You'd best get over it!The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
In fact, has your therapist recommended you make these ongoing rants on here as a form of therapy? Suddenly it all makes sense!!
Edited by sidicks on Tuesday 16th January 20:32
Do people not see the word 'let's'. The bus was suggesting once we leave, I mean fully leave not in transition, we 'could' divert some of the billions we no longer send to the EU to the NHS. I'm not saying the resident government will do that, but surely it is an option, yes?. I can't believe people are still going on about it but if it makes remainers feel better then go for it. Project fear was calculated and in many ways an even worse marketing campaign but lets just keep re-running the referendum campaign from June 2016!
mx5nut said:
If you think it's about the bus, you're missing the point.
The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
What makes you think people voted for milk and honey?The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
You still don't get it after all this time.
davey68 said:
Do people not see the word 'let's'. The bus was suggesting once we leave, I mean fully leave not in transition, we 'could' divert some of the billions we no longer send to the EU to the NHS.
Vote Corbyn - Let's give everybody a free car.Nobody would see that as dishonest, right?
I mean, he "could".
mx5nut said:
jsf said:
What makes you think people voted for milk and honey?
You still don't get it after all this time.
You may have a pretty low opinion of your fellow voters, but I don't think they knowingly voted to make themselves worse off.You still don't get it after all this time.
jsf said:
mx5nut said:
If you think it's about the bus, you're missing the point.
The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
What makes you think people voted for milk and honey?The bus is simply symbolic of the dishonesty of the campaign promising a land of milk and honey it knew couldn't happen in reality.
And people are still falling for a dishonest campaign that ended 18 months ago
You still don't get it after all this time.
Coolbanana said:
TooMany2cvs said:
If it was more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), then it changed the result.
I'd wager it was a lot more than that. If you're prepared to place a wager you must have a percentage/number in mind, so according to you it's more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), so come up with the percentage/number you're prepared to place a bet on, and tell us how you've arrived at your figure and corroborate such.
k is Boris?Dr Jekyll said:
The reasoning behind the £350m slogan was that the Remain side would feel obliged to say 'oh no, it's Only £100m a week.' Certainly nobody was expected to believe that the gross figure was net, and if they did, would putting £100m on the side of the bus instead really have made a difference?
Are you seriously claiming the Leave campaign knew it was a lie but didn't expect anyone to believe it so used it anyway?
PurpleMoonlight said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The reasoning behind the £350m slogan was that the Remain side would feel obliged to say 'oh no, it's Only £100m a week.' Certainly nobody was expected to believe that the gross figure was net, and if they did, would putting £100m on the side of the bus instead really have made a difference?
Are you seriously claiming the Leave campaign knew it was a lie but didn't expect anyone to believe it so used it anyway?a) The ends justified the means.
b) All Leave voters were smart enough to see it was a lie and didn't let it influence their vote.
c) Whataboutism about the Remain campaign.
don'tbesilly said:
You would? Just how much would you wager on something you couldn't prove?
If you're prepared to place a wager you must have a percentage/number in mind, so according to you it's more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), so come up with the percentage/number you're prepared to place a bet on, and tell us how you've arrived at your figure and corroborate such.
OMG! You are one of those that believed it aren't ya? If you're prepared to place a wager you must have a percentage/number in mind, so according to you it's more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), so come up with the percentage/number you're prepared to place a bet on, and tell us how you've arrived at your figure and corroborate such.
You are soooo defensive; the embarrassment is tangible.
Pulling your leg
Have you ever browsed the comments made by folks online to various News Articles about Brexit? More specifically, those concerning this topic? Absolutely littered with Believers.
They seem to be everywhere. Well, among the Leaver's, that is. PH seems to be an exception. Although, we have seem Leaver's views here evolve according to how badly the process is going so...
Polls were done apparently. Here's a Report about such:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/near...
Now, even allowing for the Polls being widely off the mark, you can see with a large margin of error taken into account it is still waaaaaaay more than 1.2 million Britons who fell for it.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-...
Even an Advisor to your Illustrious Leaders admits it. Lying to the Public won the day.
So, yes, allowing for margins of error and from what I have read and witnessed, I'd wager this to be true: many more Leavers than 1.2 million - and certainly those here on PH too embarrassed to associate themselves with their voting Comrades - actually believed the Bus slogan to be a fact and voted accordingly and swung the vote in Leaves favour.
Thing is, my Fellow Briton, a sum of money being freed up from former Contributions to give to anything, including the NHS, is not technically a lie though, is it, providing the Fantasy of being able to get a free trade deal at zero cost with the EU and whomever else the UK chooses is realised.
So the underlying deception is the lie propagated that the EU needs the UK more than vice versa and an FTA was always going to fall into our laps and horse meat can be replaced by dog meat from China!
Heck, the Chinese can send in some rhino horn while they are at it for your Birthday Treat and give us some better access to slave labour for your sweatpants and knock-off Nikes. By the way, if any Leavers are not liking these discussions with Remainers, why are you still taking part? Surely, rather than whinge, you would be more productive getting out there and delivering Brexit? Show us we are wrong! I dare ya!
sidicks said:
mx5nut said:
jsf said:
What makes you think people voted for milk and honey?
You still don't get it after all this time.
You may have a pretty low opinion of your fellow voters, but I don't think they knowingly voted to make themselves worse off.You still don't get it after all this time.
I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
Hayek said:
This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.
I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
Mx5mnut hasn’t a clue about economics. I suppose they have no come back on the non-economic arguments so are left resorting to questionable financial projections.
Hayek said:
This is why they lost, they think it's all about economics. I don't think it's about economics for a majority of leave voters even.
I think you're absolutely right. It was an ideological thing for many - they simply don't care about the consequences and believe any cost is worth it.Unfortunately, not caring about them does not mean they won't happen.
Coolbanana said:
don'tbesilly said:
You would? Just how much would you wager on something you couldn't prove?
If you're prepared to place a wager you must have a percentage/number in mind, so according to you it's more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), so come up with the percentage/number you're prepared to place a bet on, and tell us how you've arrived at your figure and corroborate such.
OMG! You are one of those that believed it aren't ya? If you're prepared to place a wager you must have a percentage/number in mind, so according to you it's more than 1.2m (7.2% of leave voters), so come up with the percentage/number you're prepared to place a bet on, and tell us how you've arrived at your figure and corroborate such.
You are soooo defensive; the embarrassment is tangible.
Pulling your leg
Have you ever browsed the comments made by folks online to various News Articles about Brexit? More specifically, those concerning this topic? Absolutely littered with Believers.
They seem to be everywhere. Well, among the Leaver's, that is. PH seems to be an exception. Although, we have seem Leaver's views here evolve according to how badly the process is going so...
Polls were done apparently. Here's a Report about such:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/near...
Now, even allowing for the Polls being widely off the mark, you can see with a large margin of error taken into account it is still waaaaaaay more than 1.2 million Britons who fell for it.
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-...
Even an Advisor to your Illustrious Leaders admits it. Lying to the Public won the day.
So, yes, allowing for margins of error and from what I have read and witnessed, I'd wager this to be true: many more Leavers than 1.2 million - and certainly those here on PH too embarrassed to associate themselves with their voting Comrades - actually believed the Bus slogan to be a fact and voted accordingly and swung the vote in Leaves favour.
Thing is, my Fellow Briton, a sum of money being freed up from former Contributions to give to anything, including the NHS, is not technically a lie though, is it, providing the Fantasy of being able to get a free trade deal at zero cost with the EU and whomever else the UK chooses is realised.
So the underlying deception is the lie propagated that the EU needs the UK more than vice versa and an FTA was always going to fall into our laps and horse meat can be replaced by dog meat from China!
Heck, the Chinese can send in some rhino horn while they are at it for your Birthday Treat and give us some better access to slave labour for your sweatpants and knock-off Nikes. By the way, if any Leavers are not liking these discussions with Remainers, why are you still taking part? Surely, rather than whinge, you would be more productive getting out there and delivering Brexit? Show us we are wrong! I dare ya!
................mx5nut said:
Unfortunately, not caring about them does not mean they won't happen.
But fortunately, wittering on about them does not mean that they will happen either. I realise that you're looking forward to some sort of economic apocalypse so that you can hop up and down excitedly whilst chittering "I told you so! I told you so!" But, you're just going to have to come to terms with the fact that you may be left trying to celebrate a brief shower rather than the monsoon of your dreams.
Let's face it, with the announcement of inflation falling again, the last vestige of economic credibility that the Remain camp ever had slid quietly beneath the waves this week.
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