Rolls Royce cars to be made in German factory due to brexit?
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Troubleatmill said:
Today - all the panels etc - are made in Germany - and shipped to UK for assembly.
That's not correct.Today, the full body is supplied from Germany, fully assembled. It's painted in Goodwood and bumpers and (German made) doors, bonnet, boot are hung.
Engine and power train is also supplied direct from Germany with only minor assy required.. Goodwood is just final assembly of parts largely made in Germany. Even the engineering is done in Munich.
Liokault said:
Troubleatmill said:
Today - all the panels etc - are made in Germany - and shipped to UK for assembly.
That's not correct.Today, the full body is supplied from Germany, fully assembled. It's painted in Goodwood and bumpers and (German made) doors, bonnet, boot are hung.
Engine and power train is also supplied direct from Germany with only minor assy required.. Goodwood is just final assembly of parts largely made in Germany. Even the engineering is done in Munich.
PositronicRay said:
Liokault said:
Troubleatmill said:
Today - all the panels etc - are made in Germany - and shipped to UK for assembly.
That's not correct.Today, the full body is supplied from Germany, fully assembled. It's painted in Goodwood and bumpers and (German made) doors, bonnet, boot are hung.
Engine and power train is also supplied direct from Germany with only minor assy required.. Goodwood is just final assembly of parts largely made in Germany. Even the engineering is done in Munich.
It's about the wood and the leather, the carpeting and so on, the fact these parts are put together by craftspeople who take pride in their work.
If you want a luxury car buy an S class, if you want an exclusive, and arguably the best car in the world you buy a Rolls Royce.
PositronicRay said:
Liokault said:
Troubleatmill said:
Today - all the panels etc - are made in Germany - and shipped to UK for assembly.
That's not correct.Today, the full body is supplied from Germany, fully assembled. It's painted in Goodwood and bumpers and (German made) doors, bonnet, boot are hung.
Engine and power train is also supplied direct from Germany with only minor assy required.. Goodwood is just final assembly of parts largely made in Germany. Even the engineering is done in Munich.
bristolracer said:
PositronicRay said:
Liokault said:
Troubleatmill said:
Today - all the panels etc - are made in Germany - and shipped to UK for assembly.
That's not correct.Today, the full body is supplied from Germany, fully assembled. It's painted in Goodwood and bumpers and (German made) doors, bonnet, boot are hung.
Engine and power train is also supplied direct from Germany with only minor assy required.. Goodwood is just final assembly of parts largely made in Germany. Even the engineering is done in Munich.
It's about the wood and the leather, the carpeting and so on, the fact these parts are put together by craftspeople who take pride in their work.
If you want a luxury car buy an S class, if you want an exclusive, and arguably the best car in the world you buy a Rolls Royce.
kurt535 said:
i had no idea that was already taking place. in that case, its costing cash shipping it all over. writing on the wall - brexit or no brexit for transferring production. seriously, why wouldn't you?
Because the USP of the product is that it is "British". It may be tenuously so, but the perception has to be maintained.A high-profile wholesale closure of the UK assembly plant would kill the image of the brand stone dead (as well as being a gift to rivals). It would be like Rolex moving production to Japan
My analogy with Ferrari becoming 'not Italian' was apt and had nothing to do with Brexit.
kurt535 said:
i had no idea that was already taking place. in that case, its costing cash shipping it all over. writing on the wall - brexit or no brexit for transferring production. seriously, why wouldn't you?
Because BMW understand that the craftsmanship needed to finish the product is here and, really importantly, that people are buying a "British' "hand crafted" product. If they wanted a German one, they'd buy a Maybach. Brexit or no Brexit.
///ajd said:
Smiler. said:
Well you obviously can. Don't you ever get bored of it?
It seems not yet. Any comment on the Rolls story, or just attacking the messenger today?
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
I know this point has been done to death, but it is obvious that there will have to be procedural changes post-Brexit. Exactly what they will be no-body knows, and scaremongering or jolly-positives from either side are meaningless. Repeating them with spin just makes the commentators idiots
The EU technocrats have a duty to make it look a bad decision because otherwise their existence is called into question along with the whole project. It doesn't take an idiot to work that out.
Greater perspective is required - there's a reason why the Chinese wanted an assembly plant for MG in the UK and it had nothing to do with the EU.
The EU technocrats have a duty to make it look a bad decision because otherwise their existence is called into question along with the whole project. It doesn't take an idiot to work that out.
Greater perspective is required - there's a reason why the Chinese wanted an assembly plant for MG in the UK and it had nothing to do with the EU.
r11co said:
I know this point has been done to death, but it is obvious that there will have to be procedural changes post-Brexit. Exactly what they will be no-body knows, and scaremongering or jolly-positives from either side are meaningless. Repeating them with spin just makes the commentators idiots
The EU technocrats have a duty to make it look a bad decision because otherwise their existence is called into question along with the whole project. It doesn't take an idiot to work that out.
Greater perspective is required - there's a reason why the Chinese wanted an assembly plant for MG in the UK and it had nothing to do with the EU.
+1The EU technocrats have a duty to make it look a bad decision because otherwise their existence is called into question along with the whole project. It doesn't take an idiot to work that out.
Greater perspective is required - there's a reason why the Chinese wanted an assembly plant for MG in the UK and it had nothing to do with the EU.
Rude-boy said:
Yes I do.
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Spot on.It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Rude-boy said:
Yes I do.
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Very good post.It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
This case highlights the appreciation and power of national identities. As others have stated, BMW =German, RR =British and Ferrari = Italian. There are perceived qualities and USPs of each vehicle that are very much linked to the nation that builds them, in those cases at least. It reinforces the notion that we are all different or perceived as different by outsiders, something that those manufacturers actively benefit from. It flies in the face of any homogenised European federal dream really, and only fools would underestimate the power of identity with regards the manufacture of products that appeal to the heart.
Rude-boy said:
Yes I do.
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Not for the first time I'm confused by this idea that people 'moaning' about Brexit are somehow able to influence massive global economic decisions and somehow derail the process. The success, or otherwise, of Brexit is down to the UK government who are tasked with implementing it. People bIt would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
hing on a car forum – or elsewhere – are not going to influence anything.TTwiggy said:
Rude-boy said:
Yes I do.
It would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
Not for the first time I'm confused by this idea that people 'moaning' about Brexit are somehow able to influence massive global economic decisions and somehow derail the process. The success, or otherwise, of Brexit is down to the UK government who are tasked with implementing it. People bIt would seem that Project Fear on behalf of the "no, no, no you should not have voted that way' party is not only in full swing but is also having an effect.
The doubt and uncertainly that BMW is talking about is as i direct result of the self defeating attitude of the Remoaners. The less effort that they put into trying to make a success of Brexit and the more strife and struggle they can cause, together with their constant stream of looking on the darkest possible side and shouting "We're all doomed I tell thee" the more they will get their wish of the worst possible Brexit.
So to be honest it would appear that the Remoaners will get their way - beggaring the Country to ensure that they are proven 'right'.
As someone who voted to Remain myself i am utterly disgusted in the behaviour of the Remoaners and their myopic attitudes. There will be Brexit, stop fooling yourselves into thinking that you can reverse the vote by trying to make the situation as bad as it possibly can be.
Cretins.
hing on a car forum – or elsewhere – are not going to influence anything.Murph7355 said:
To be fair I do not believe there was any "plan" to destroy our car industry. We did that all on our own, and would have done so with or without the EU/EC. The late 60s/70s were not a good time in this country and demonstrated how bad resting on laurels is.
Indeed, it was just st management - a real 'English disease' of the time. Not just in car manufacturing but lots of industries.TTwiggy said:
anonymous said:
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And unless you are a senior civil service mandarin involved in the Brexit negotiations it's unlikely you will be in a position to aid or hamper the process to any measurable degree.Comments on here are largely irrelevant. But the media harping on etc (irrespective of which side they favour) does not help the negotiating process IMO. Is it material? Mostly probably not. But if one side gets a vibe that the population of the other is unhappy, it could influence the course of action on 50:50 areas.
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