Drugs in jail - how?
Discussion
Article here today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-413198...
How do drugs get into jails? Surely it can't be that hard to keep control of what goes in and out?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-413198...
How do drugs get into jails? Surely it can't be that hard to keep control of what goes in and out?
Huntsman said:
catso said:
mac96 said:
Lots of ways:
Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
And all completely preventable, given the will...Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
Andehh said:
LocoCoco said:
Let's hear your easy solution to stopping the staff bringing them in then? Robot staff?
Random spot checks with sniffer dogs & massive punishments for those caught? I nominate a dog warden. Have the sniffer dog in charge of the jail.
LocoCoco said:
Andehh said:
LocoCoco said:
Let's hear your easy solution to stopping the staff bringing them in then? Robot staff?
Random spot checks with sniffer dogs & massive punishments for those caught? I nominate a dog warden. Have the sniffer dog in charge of the jail.
Andehh said:
LocoCoco said:
Andehh said:
LocoCoco said:
Let's hear your easy solution to stopping the staff bringing them in then? Robot staff?
Random spot checks with sniffer dogs & massive punishments for those caught? I nominate a dog warden. Have the sniffer dog in charge of the jail.
C'mon......
soad said:
Drones.
False roof overheard, plastic sheeting, wire mesh sides? A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
Huntsman said:
soad said:
Drones.
False roof overheard, plastic sheeting, wire mesh sides? A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
LocoCoco said:
Huntsman said:
catso said:
mac96 said:
Lots of ways:
Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
And all completely preventable, given the will...Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
No face to face meetings/contact with visitors - all visits through a glass panel/intercom, cell windows that either don't open or have small mesh to prevent drone drops to cells, sniffer dogs/airport style security at all entrances, huge penalty (10 years?) for any staff member bringing in drugs, mesh over exercise yards, anti-drone fences around prison walls - I'm sure people in the 'know' could think of many more ways.
How 'lucrative' is it to sell drugs to prisoners anyway? They surely don't (or shouldn't) have much money to buy them with, in fact why do prisoners need money anyway? any work done etc. could just earn credit for whatever they might be allowed to buy.
Some might even say they shouldn't be allowed any 'luxuries' and since essentials are provided what more do they need? it's not an 18-30 holiday club after all!
Of all the places, a prison should be a 'secure' establishment but they really need to want to do it.
catso said:
Some might even say they shouldn't be allowed any 'luxuries' and since essentials are provided what more do they need? it's not an 18-30 holiday club after all!
Better to have some luxuries which can be taken away for bad behaviour IMO rather than a building full of scroats with nothing to lose.I'm sure it could be done. It'd need changes to the law / procedures / physical structures and a lot more staff.
Firstly you'd have to ensure the people going to the prison (as prisoners) don't have drugs concealed. That'd mean isolating them and making them use toilets which are designed to capture drugs like this.
Secondly, visitors would have to be prevented from physical contact as visitors are a large source of drugs going into prison.
Drones / packaging over walls could be surely be designed out with modifications to prisons structures.
Electronic correspondence only.
I don't think staff bringing drugs into prison is much of a problem. I've never known it.
I believe prisoners then turn to making their own alcohol in prison when drugs aren't available which is a different matter as it's done with things sourced internally.
Firstly you'd have to ensure the people going to the prison (as prisoners) don't have drugs concealed. That'd mean isolating them and making them use toilets which are designed to capture drugs like this.
Secondly, visitors would have to be prevented from physical contact as visitors are a large source of drugs going into prison.
Drones / packaging over walls could be surely be designed out with modifications to prisons structures.
Electronic correspondence only.
I don't think staff bringing drugs into prison is much of a problem. I've never known it.
I believe prisoners then turn to making their own alcohol in prison when drugs aren't available which is a different matter as it's done with things sourced internally.
catso said:
LocoCoco said:
Huntsman said:
catso said:
mac96 said:
Lots of ways:
Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
And all completely preventable, given the will...Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
No face to face meetings/contact with visitors - all visits through a glass panel/intercom, cell windows that either don't open or have small mesh to prevent drone drops to cells, sniffer dogs/airport style security at all entrances, huge penalty (10 years?) for any staff member bringing in drugs, mesh over exercise yards, anti-drone fences around prison walls - I'm sure people in the 'know' could think of many more ways.
How 'lucrative' is it to sell drugs to prisoners anyway? They surely don't (or shouldn't) have much money to buy them with, in fact why do prisoners need money anyway? any work done etc. could just earn credit for whatever they might be allowed to buy.
Some might even say they shouldn't be allowed any 'luxuries' and since essentials are provided what more do they need? it's not an 18-30 holiday club after all!
Of all the places, a prison should be a 'secure' establishment but they really need to want to do it.
Your 'lucrative' question, the money would come from prisoner's family or friends outside prison. Lots of criminals still run their drug empires from behind bars.
They give money + drugs to the staff member. Maybe they give drugs plus a threat of violence to the staff member's family. Maybe the staff members are already acquaintances of the criminal behind bars.
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