Drugs in jail - how?
Discussion
Huntsman said:
False roof overheard, plastic sheeting, wire mesh sides?
A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
Drove past Leeds prison (HMP Armley?) a few times - and all I could see was a mahoosive wall, with the officers stood guard outside it. So obviously contraband is a huge problem. A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
Huntsman said:
soad said:
Drones.
False roof overheard, plastic sheeting, wire mesh sides? A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
When you have thousands of people all after the same thing with a network of tens of thousand on the outside willing to help (for a fee) you can see how it becomes a problem.
With regards to sniffer dogs can the sniff out every single drug? Even when they are inside visitors?
LocoCoco said:
catso said:
LocoCoco said:
Huntsman said:
catso said:
mac96 said:
Lots of ways:
Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
And all completely preventable, given the will...Staff bring them in
Thrown over walls/through wire
Visitors
Drones
No doubt others as well .
No face to face meetings/contact with visitors - all visits through a glass panel/intercom, cell windows that either don't open or have small mesh to prevent drone drops to cells, sniffer dogs/airport style security at all entrances, huge penalty (10 years?) for any staff member bringing in drugs, mesh over exercise yards, anti-drone fences around prison walls - I'm sure people in the 'know' could think of many more ways.
How 'lucrative' is it to sell drugs to prisoners anyway? They surely don't (or shouldn't) have much money to buy them with, in fact why do prisoners need money anyway? any work done etc. could just earn credit for whatever they might be allowed to buy.
Some might even say they shouldn't be allowed any 'luxuries' and since essentials are provided what more do they need? it's not an 18-30 holiday club after all!
Of all the places, a prison should be a 'secure' establishment but they really need to want to do it.
Your 'lucrative' question, the money would come from prisoner's family or friends outside prison. Lots of criminals still run their drug empires from behind bars.
They give money + drugs to the staff member. Maybe they give drugs plus a threat of violence to the staff member's family. Maybe the staff members are already acquaintances of the criminal behind bars.
If you were to theoretically cut off the other avenues then any drugs into prisons would 'only' come through staff which greatly increases the risk and focus of doing so.
In addition, preventing mobiles in prisons would greatly reduce the communication avenues between prisoners and dealers, plus those whom may approach prison officers on the outside.
I have a number of friends who work in the local jails here on the IOW - you would not believe what goes on. To anyone with a bit of common sense it should be easy to stop stuff geting in - after all the procedures and the buildings are designed to stop people from getting out. Its like the mobile phone thing - the easiest way to stop them been smuggled in is to 'jam' the service in the jail - reason they won't do that is that it can effect the service outside but here on the Isle of Wight there are several mobile blackspots and areas of unrealiability so is that any different ? A friend used to be train dogs and their handlers at Parkhurst - those dogs can find anything but there is no 'politcal' will do ensure that all visiotrs are subjected to a drug dog before they enter.
matchmaker said:
Hard drugs like heroin are more common than weed, as heroin leaves the system faster hence less likely to be picked up in a drug test.
Aluminium foil is greatly prized in prison.
I see this as a problem. Someone goes inside for a while and is bored rigid. Heroin is available, they get hooked and come out needing to feed a habit. Hardly the rehabilitation everyone thought was happening.Aluminium foil is greatly prized in prison.
The more I read about the war on drugs the more I think we should just legalise everything. The prison population would plummet overnight (reducing the tax burden) and I can't believe the uptake of drugs would increase. Most people who live in a big city could get drugs very easily I reckon so there isn't much difference.
Huntsman said:
soad said:
Drones.
False roof overheard, plastic sheeting, wire mesh sides? A drone can't drop a bag of naughty powder sideways through a wire mesh can it?
Ok, so the truth is I have absolutely no idea what challenges they face running a jail, however on the face of it, it seems to less secure than I would have thought.
A recent case just up the road from me.
Lewes Prison officers smuggled drugs in Pringles tubes
There's too much money involved in selling them (1000% markup from outside in some cases) and sod all money to stop them.
Daft, as if prisons could get people off drugs and actually focus on rehabilitation we'd cut the embarrassing reoffending rate we've got (60% +)
Lewes Prison officers smuggled drugs in Pringles tubes
There's too much money involved in selling them (1000% markup from outside in some cases) and sod all money to stop them.
Daft, as if prisons could get people off drugs and actually focus on rehabilitation we'd cut the embarrassing reoffending rate we've got (60% +)
Ziplobb said:
I have a number of friends who work in the local jails here on the IOW - you would not believe what goes on. To anyone with a bit of common sense it should be easy to stop stuff geting in - after all the procedures and the buildings are designed to stop people from getting out. Its like the mobile phone thing - the easiest way to stop them been smuggled in is to 'jam' the service in the jail - reason they won't do that is that it can effect the service outside but here on the Isle of Wight there are several mobile blackspots and areas of unrealiability so is that any different ? A friend used to be train dogs and their handlers at Parkhurst - those dogs can find anything but there is no 'politcal' will do ensure that all visiotrs are subjected to a drug dog before they enter.
Coincidentally, I can see Isle of wight Prison from my desk at work, often wonder what's going on in there, but I don't plan to find out.
tter 
I'm beginning to get the picture....
Surely they can spot the ones walking in a rather awkward fashion?
Motorrad said:
Alimentary my dear Felix.
haggishunter said:
They’re smuggled in by some arse hole.
...but then....CountZero23 said:
A recent case just up the road from me.
Lewes Prison officers smuggled drugs in Pringles tubes
Lewes Prison officers smuggled drugs in Pringles tubes
Surely they can spot the ones walking in a rather awkward fashion?
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