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Not-The-Messiah

3,611 posts

80 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Someone calling for sensible immigration controls or showing concern for the cultural trajectory of this nation is now automatically classed as far right.
Care to define "sensible immigration controls" and "concern for the cultural trajectory" in a way that set the "Far Right Loon" warnings off? No, didn't think so.

Not-The-Messiah said:
There is nothing I see within this thread that is far right wing, but no doubt many do.
There's a very simple reason for that. It's because you are so far right wing, yet think of yourself as "moderately right", that your entire perception is skewed.

Think of it as asking somebody in Great Yarmouth whether Spalding is east or west.
Sensible immigration= Keeping the numbers at a level we can comfortably provide infrastructure and services for. Choosing people that are a net benefit and will integrate well within our society.

Cultural Trajectory concerns= A concern of backward thinking medieval cultural practices becoming more and more prevalent such as Sharia law, The slow degradation of freedom of expression and speech in the name of inclusiveness and so on.

If holding them views makes me far right wing then so be it.

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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wsurfa said:
Countdown said:
Did she learn that Pakistan has more honour killings than the UK has total murders? (Accounting for difference in population size)
She was also a muslim and one that had servants !

My Neighbour came from a similar background in Pakistan, they also had servants, she is degree educated having gained her early education in the UK.

I assume she came from the Chelsea of Lahore, and in a country with a GDP of under $2000 per capita nor is she the norm.



Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.
Immigration has cost us Billions, but that is not something you will here many politicians saying.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Countdown said:
What a crock of st.
How a supposedly intelligent bloke could post such a biased pile is beyond me.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
Sensible immigration= Keeping the numbers at a level we can comfortably provide infrastructure and services for.
And what level is that? Is there any definite number, even?

Not-The-Messiah said:
Choosing people that are a net benefit and will integrate well within our society.
OK, that's always been in place.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/uk-visa-...

Not-The-Messiah said:
Cultural Trajectory concerns= A concern of backward thinking medieval cultural practices becoming more and more prevalent such as Sharia law,
Oooh, and you were doing so well! You almost made it.

Tell you what, let's turn a blind eye to that little slip, and assume you said generic religious law.
Except for the minor detail that that's been present in the UK for centuries. The London Beth Din was established in the early 18th century...
Perhaps you didn't mean religious. Well, there's quite a lot of alternative dispute resolution services that can be used wherever both sides of a dispute agree... Many of them are well entrenched in law. ACAS, for one.

Not-The-Messiah said:
The slow degradation of freedom of expression and speech in the name of inclusiveness and so on.
Except for the minor detail that freedom of expression and speech are protected by law - Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights...

ECHR said:
ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.p...

That's a good thing, isn't it?

Unless, of course, the bit you don't like is that first word... "EVERYONE". You think it should be restricted for those you don't agree with, right?

Not-The-Messiah said:
If holding them views makes me far right wing then so be it.
Great, we're all in agreement, then.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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del mar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.
Immigration has cost us Billions, but that is not something you will here many politicians saying.
Only the ones who lie, and ignore the minor detail that the opposite is true - and migration has been a massive boon to the UK economy.

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.
Immigration has cost us Billions, but that is not something you will here many politicians saying.
Only the ones who lie, and ignore the minor detail that the opposite is true - and migration has been a massive boon to the UK economy.
I will dig out the report for Monday.

It was a Government sanctioned study by a London University, that did indeed show that the net benefit of immigration was worth over £30 billion to the economy, but this was a selected number based on a study of Eu migrants. When studied in detail the report came to the conclusion that the cost of adding in all immigration was a significant loss to the economy.

Yes the Polish man works had and pays a volume of tax, but he has to go some to offset the cost of the Somalian women with 6 young kids.



rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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del mar said:
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.
Immigration has cost us Billions, but that is not something you will here many politicians saying.
Only the ones who lie, and ignore the minor detail that the opposite is true - and migration has been a massive boon to the UK economy.
I will dig out the report for Monday.

It was a Government sanctioned study by a London University, that did indeed show that the net benefit of immigration was worth over £30 billion to the economy, but this was a selected number based on a study of Eu migrants. When studied in detail the report came to the conclusion that the cost of adding in all immigration was a significant loss to the economy.

Yes the Polish man works had and pays a volume of tax, but he has to go some to offset the cost of the Somalian women with 6 young kids.
So the immigrants we have no control over are a net benefit to the economy, but those we already have control over are a drain?

Not-The-Messiah

3,611 posts

80 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Sensible immigration= Keeping the numbers at a level we can comfortably provide infrastructure and services for.
And what level is that? Is there any definite number, even?

Not-The-Messiah said:
Choosing people that are a net benefit and will integrate well within our society.
OK, that's always been in place.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/uk-visa-...

Not-The-Messiah said:
Cultural Trajectory concerns= A concern of backward thinking medieval cultural practices becoming more and more prevalent such as Sharia law,
Oooh, and you were doing so well! You almost made it.

Tell you what, let's turn a blind eye to that little slip, and assume you said generic religious law.
Except for the minor detail that that's been present in the UK for centuries. The London Beth Din was established in the early 18th century...
Perhaps you didn't mean religious. Well, there's quite a lot of alternative dispute resolution services that can be used wherever both sides of a dispute agree... Many of them are well entrenched in law. ACAS, for one.

Not-The-Messiah said:
The slow degradation of freedom of expression and speech in the name of inclusiveness and so on.
Except for the minor detail that freedom of expression and speech are protected by law - Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights...

ECHR said:
ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.p...

That's a good thing, isn't it?

Unless, of course, the bit you don't like is that first word... "EVERYONE". You think it should be restricted for those you don't agree with, right?

Not-The-Messiah said:
If holding them views makes me far right wing then so be it.
Great, we're all in agreement, then.
I'm sure a sensible number could be worked out by looking at things like budgets, infrastructure construction capability, available homes and so on. And more importantly the asking and consideration of the views of the British public and what they feel comfortable with.

As for the Sharia law which was just one example the key point was the more and more bit. but personally I think its should have no place at all.

The freedom of speech concern is more the social self censorship though left wing fascist zealots who use bully and intimidation to control the acceptable discussion. Companies and media that have a virtual monopoly on what can be seen and published.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
I'm sure a sensible number could be worked out by looking at things like budgets, infrastructure construction capability, available homes and so on.
Sounds like you're advocating for local-level migration targets, which would surely apply to internal migration as well as external?

If it's OK to move to Builth Wells, because the infrastructure can sustain it - but not Basingstoke, where it can't - does it make a difference whether the moving is happening from Belfast, Berlin, Bratislava or Baghdad?

Not-The-Messiah said:
And more importantly the asking and consideration of the views of the British public and what they feel comfortable with.
The public delegate that bit to Parliament, once every five years.

Not-The-Messiah said:
As for the Sharia law which was just one example the key point was the more and more bit. but personally I think its should have no place at all.
Oh, I'm sure it was a totally non-representative example picked utterly at random...

Not-The-Messiah said:
The freedom of speech concern is more the social self censorship though left wing fascist zealots who use bully and intimidation to control the acceptable discussion. Companies and media that have a virtual monopoly on what can be seen and published.
Yes, of course. The British media is overwhelmingly left-wing. Of course it is...

We're back to relative perspectives again, aren't we?

Not-The-Messiah

3,611 posts

80 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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del mar said:
TooMany2cvs said:
del mar said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Translation costs as well.
Bending over backwards costs millions.
Immigration has cost us Billions, but that is not something you will here many politicians saying.
Only the ones who lie, and ignore the minor detail that the opposite is true - and migration has been a massive boon to the UK economy.
I will dig out the report for Monday.

It was a Government sanctioned study by a London University, that did indeed show that the net benefit of immigration was worth over £30 billion to the economy, but this was a selected number based on a study of Eu migrants. When studied in detail the report came to the conclusion that the cost of adding in all immigration was a significant loss to the economy.

Yes the Polish man works had and pays a volume of tax, but he has to go some to offset the cost of the Somalian women with 6 young kids.
They never seem to calculate in things like needed infrastructure costs, The immigration is worth £30 billion but HS2 will cost £52 billion alone and its only being build not because its faster but because of capacity issues. Same with the billions being spend on the road networks, school and hospital expansion all needed because of the growth in the population solely driven by immigration. But these cost are never attributed to immigration in anyway.



Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 22 September 15:10

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
They never seem to calculate in things like needed infrastructure costs, The immigration is worth £30 billion but HS2 will cost £52 billion alone and its only being build not because its faster but because of capacity issues. Same with the billions being spend on the road networks, school and hospital expansion all needed because of the growth in the population solely driven by imagination. But these cost are never attributed to immigration in anyway.
Easy with the "solely".

And the "imagination", too.

Not-The-Messiah

3,611 posts

80 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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scenario8 said:
Easy with the "solely".

And the "imagination", too.
bloody auto correct, but it is obvious spelling isn't exactly my strong suit.

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
bloody auto correct, but it is obvious spelling isn't exactly my strong suit.
Auto-correct does my head in, too!

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
They never seem to calculate in things like needed infrastructure costs, The immigration is worth £30 billion but HS2 will cost £52 billion alone and its only being build not because its faster but because of capacity issues. Same with the billions being spend on the road networks, school and hospital expansion all needed because of the growth in the population solely driven by immigration. But these cost are never attributed to immigration in anyway.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 22 September 15:10
Utter rubbish.
In August 2016 the net migration figure was 327,000.
Official UK population figure from June 2016 shows a growth of 538,000 .

Where did the other 211,000 come from?

_dobbo_

14,327 posts

247 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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rscott said:
Where did the other 211,000 come from?
That was last years immigrants all having babies called Mohammed, obviously.


Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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wsurfa said:
Countdown said:
Did she learn that Pakistan has more honour killings than the UK has total murders? (Accounting for difference in population size)
Possibly. The article doesn't say. She also doesn't mention that Pakistan probably has more cobras per head than the UK.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
Countdown said:
What a crock of st.
How a supposedly intelligent bloke could post such a biased pile is beyond me.
Just because it contradicts your point of view doesn't actually make it a crock of st, does it? And given that she's actually lived there I'm going to hazard a guess that her POV is several orders of magnitude more accurate than yours.


oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Friday 22nd September 2017
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Not-The-Messiah said:
oyster said:
Can you please tell me what Anglo Saxon Christian culture is?
Is this an attempt to use the argument what is culture? The idea that culture and social norms are in constant flux and change. And the perception of them are different to each individual so it doesn't exist so cant be destroyed or protected? The argument, if something cant be exactly defined and quantified it cannot exist?
No, I was just interested in examples of how this particular culture you refer to won't exist in the future.

I guess I asked for 2 reasons:
1. To understand what it is you think will disappear? (Christmas, pubs, roast dinners)
2. To understand why you think they will disappear and not merely evolve?