BBC studiously avoiding reporting top name for boys

[Not-The-Messiah]

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

They never seem to calculate in things like needed infrastructure costs, The immigration is worth £30 billion but HS2 will cost £52 billion alone and its only being build not because its faster but because of capacity issues. Same with the billions being spend on the road networks, school and hospital expansion all needed because of the growth in the population solely driven by immigration. But these cost are never attributed to immigration in anyway.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 22 September 15:10

Utter rubbish.
In August 2016 the net migration figure was 327,000.
Official UK population figure from June 2016 shows a growth of 538,000 .

Where did the other 211,000 come from?

Well the official birth rate in this nation is 1.81 children to each woman so you guess is as good as mine on that one.
perhaps the official birthrate figures are wrong or more than likely the immigration ones are way off. As they are ultimately a guess as we have not been officially counting who and how many are actually entering.

And we are constantly being told that we need immigration because of the population decrease which is it?

And even if the population is now growing through birth rates its know fact that its 1st and 2nd generation immigration driving this.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 22 September 15:51

[Zod]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Their point is quite simple, Their point is to counter this idiotic argument that is now often see used. They post a picture of some right wing nut job and then imply that anyone with any moderate right wing view is the same and on the same intellectual level has the people in the images. Its a very lazy and poor child like argument.

I have moderate right wing views (economically rigorous/socially liberal) . You do not.

[rscott]

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

They never seem to calculate in things like needed infrastructure costs, The immigration is worth £30 billion but HS2 will cost £52 billion alone and its only being build not because its faster but because of capacity issues. Same with the billions being spend on the road networks, school and hospital expansion all needed because of the growth in the population solely driven by immigration. But these cost are never attributed to immigration in anyway.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Friday 22 September 15:10

Utter rubbish.
In August 2016 the net migration figure was 327,000.
Official UK population figure from June 2016 shows a growth of 538,000 .

Where did the other 211,000 come from?

Well the official birth rate in this nation is 1.81 children to each woman so you guess is as good as mine on that one.
perhaps the official birthrate figures are wrong or more than likely the immigration ones are way off. As they are ultimately a guess as we have not been officially counting who and how many are actually entering.

And we are constantly being told that we need immigration because of the population decrease which is it?

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

[PRTVR]

del mar said:

I will dig out the report for Monday.

It was a Government sanctioned study by a London University, that did indeed show that the net benefit of immigration was worth over £30 billion to the economy, but this was a selected number based on a study of Eu migrants. When studied in detail the report came to the conclusion that the cost of adding in all immigration was a significant loss to the economy.

Yes the Polish man works had and pays a volume of tax, but he has to go some to offset the cost of the Somalian women with 6 young kids.

If my memory serves me right,it was by the LSE, the same person was involved in it as produced the report on numbers of imigrants that would come to the UK, when restrictions were lifted on people from the last set of counties to join the EU, his numbers were massively out, when questioned on his forecast his answer was that he did say it could be more, basically a pointless report, reports can say anything you want them to, as has been proved.

[Not-The-Messiah]

rscott said:

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

So quick question if we stopped immigration would our population go up or down?

[rscott]

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

So quick question if we stopped immigration would our population go up or down?

i'd say up. Wouldn't you?

[Europa1]

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

So quick question if we stopped immigration would our population go up or down?

i'd say up. Wouldn't you?

I have to say I'd go with up.

[TooMany2cvs]

Short term - up.
Medium-to-long term - down.
Working age population - down.

The population is ageing.

[Not-The-Messiah]

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

So quick question if we stopped immigration would our population go up or down?

i'd say up. Wouldn't you?

Had a quick look at the figures hard to tell like you said you would need to add in life expectancy increases. But 337.000 emigrated 211.000 growth through birth rates leaving a fall of 126.000. Does the increase in life expectancy make up for that don't know cant be bothered working it out.

But like I pointed out that the birth rate increase is down to immigration from the last 10-15 years. So I stand by my claim that population growth in this country is solely driven by immigration.

[_dobbo_]

Not-The-Messiah said:

So I stand by my claim that population growth in this country is solely driven by immigration.

Either you're blinded by your prejudice or you don't know what "solely" means.

[rscott]

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

rscott said:

Or how about people are living longer? I'd say that's a pretty simple reason why the population can increase by more than the rate of immigration.

Whatever the reason, it shows your claim that the growth in population is solely down to immigration is utter pish. Not exactly a surprise.

So quick question if we stopped immigration would our population go up or down?

i'd say up. Wouldn't you?

Had a quick look at the figures hard to tell like you said you would need to add in life expectancy increases. But 337.000 emigrated 211.000 growth through birth rates leaving a fall of 126.000. Does the increase in life expectancy make up for that don't know cant be bothered working it out.

But like I pointed out that the birth rate increase is down to immigration from the last 10-15 years. So I stand by my claim that population growth in this country is solely driven by immigration.

I assumed you'd also stop emigration too? Or is it okay for us to move to foreign cultures and impose our lifestyle on them (in some cases...)

[TooMany2cvs]

Not-The-Messiah said:

But 337.000 emigrated 211.000 growth through birth rates leaving a fall of 126.000.

Apart from the confusion between 337k and 327k, I'll just add "net migration" to the list of things you don't understand.

It's a long list.

[Stickyfinger]

rscott said:

I assumed you'd also stop emigration too? Or is it okay for us to move to foreign cultures and impose our lifestyle on them (in some cases...)

Where does that happen ?

[rscott]

Stickyfinger said:

rscott said:

I assumed you'd also stop emigration too? Or is it okay for us to move to foreign cultures and impose our lifestyle on them (in some cases...)

Where does that happen ?

Spain, for example? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/education-and-fam... .

[Stickyfinger]

rscott said:

Spain, for example? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/education-and-fam... .

Yep....that is so similar (thanks for the Friday laugh)

[TooMany2cvs]

Stickyfinger said:

rscott said:

I assumed you'd also stop emigration too? Or is it okay for us to move to foreign cultures and impose our lifestyle on them (in some cases...)

Where does that happen ?

You ever been to the Costa del Innit?


Or, come to that, large swathes of France and Italy...?

[Stickyfinger]

Imposed.....?....more laughs, cheers. You guys are so desperate

TooMany2cvs said:

Or, come to that, large swathes of France and Italy...?

Would that be the coastal ports of southern Italy/Sardinia or the Suburbs of southern Paris ?

Edited by Stickyfinger on Friday 22 September 18:58

[del mar]

I did like the Spanish protests just before the terror attack.

Tourists out refugees welcome !

One brings in billions of euros, one will cost you billions and could cost you a few lives.

[_dobbo_]

Relevant to this thread:

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/perceptions...

IPSOS poll said:

"British people were especially far from the mark when asked what proportion of the UK population is Muslim. The real answer is just one in twenty – but Britons believe it to be almost one in six. That would mean there were almost 10 million Muslims in the UK when in reality there are 2.8 million.

Britons also think the UK’s Muslim population is growing much faster than it is. Those surveyed believed 22 per cent of the population will be Muslim by 2020 – suggesting they expect the number of Muslims in the UK to increase to 14 million in the next three years. "

That's a lot of extra Mohammeds. I'm picturing this thread in three years time.... Oh wait, no, because especially far from the mark

[Stickyfinger]

_dobbo_ said:

That's a lot of extra Mohammeds. I'm picturing this thread in three years time.... Oh wait, no, because especially far from the mark

British people ?.....errrrr....FACT, that is wrong.

I got none of those wrong and I am British.........so, SOME British people...............